I understand BRick's position and I don't necessarily disagree with it philosophically. I just think limiting what an employer can demand of his workers will really work out well.

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I'm genuinely interested in

how you price your products?

how you decide where to open up a new location?

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He wants a form of socialism, while claiming that Bernie Sanders would have been more damaging to the country than Trump as president.

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I realized after I typed this I should clarify that I mean beyond the laws we have in place. If you ask extra from two employees and one always gives it and the other does not, the one that doesn't dhouldn't be punished, but it's fair for the one that does to advance.

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I'm only talking about workers of similar productivity though. A working mother putting in the required hours per the expectations of a full time employee shouldn't have it held against her because she had a kid or is of age to have children. Many on here are basically saying they should because of things like sleeping under a desk for the third trimester, taking 3 months + 2 weeks off, women shouldn't be abandoning their families, and that women once they have kids don't have work as their #1 priority.

As I've said, many of the other posts about this have proven my point far better than I could. These are people literally arguing that a gender pay gap SHOULD exist because of those reasons above and others.

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Bernie Sanders version of Socialism was the government taking over a large majority of our lives in a time when they already control a good portion of our lives.

I do think government has a role to regulate business for the protection of the population at large while still making the business climate viable. If companies are relying on paying women less because of a perceived lack of quality across the board for the whole gender then that is wrong and I'm not going to cry for those businesses that have built into their business plans that women aren't as good as men and therefore need to be compensated accordingly just like I'm not going to cry for minimum wage companies that abuse our welfare system to get the compensation of their employees subsidized by the government because the workers would be homeless and hungry if not for the government check they still qualify for because Wal-Mart pays so poorly.

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I wouldn't say that it's just having children that is the sole factor in women generally being less willing to put in the time that many men are in pursuit of financial success. Financial success does not equal happiness. Maybe the question we should be asking is if there is a happiness gap.

Anyway, I wouldn't say a pay gap should exist, but if it exists for reasons that aren't based on discrimination, it's not something to worry about.

Women- ON AVERAGE- aren't as driven to succeed in the workplace as men. That doesn't mean the most driven person in the world isn't currently a woman. Men- ON AVERAGE- are more murderous than women. It doesn't mean Aileen Wuornos wasn't one hell of a serial killer. I believe these facts are based on biology/nature rather than societal factors. Maybe that isn't correct. Regardless, we can make accommodations for the facts, but productivity will undoubtedly drop if we do. Maybe it's worth it. I don't know.

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I think it's pretty obvious that at least some of the gap is because of discrimination.

I think if you really look at what you are saying there that it is more of an issue of discrimination than you are willing to admit. Would you make a hiring decision based on that Women - ON AVERAGE - aren't as driven to succeed in the workplace as men?

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We agree that that should not be the case and there are, in fact, laws against such.

But I doubt you want to promote the person who worked 38 hours a week in the same position as the one who gave you 50 hours per week. Barring awesome productivity from the one working less (possible in some circumstances), I don't think you should.

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I'm more of a workers rights guy than you but I don't think that is fair. I understand getting 10 hours of free labor a week as a business owner is a better way to improve your bottom line and if I were a business owner I would do it just like I would pay minimum wage if I had to compete. We can come up with a long list of things that business owners wish they could do for profit.

Maybe the solution is to make it illegal to have anyone work overtime for "free". That certainly puts the two employees on a more equal footing especially at time and a half or more. Maybe it becomes a benefit to have an employee that can be productive in only 40 hours a week!

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Well first, I take issue with the idea that you are more of a worker's rights guy than I am. Second, I don't really have an issue with your solution to the "problem", but we're not talking about minimum wage workers being shorted on overtime here. We're talking about high salaried employees/managers. There's an assumption that when you make a six figure salary that sometimes you may work more than forty hours. Again, I don't object to your "solution" but I suspect it would simply lead to a reduction in six figure salaried jobs.

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It's not really close at this point.

Not really. At that level the compensation would just be indexed accordingly. It may even be based on a 60 hour work week if that is what you wanted to work.

So, the 40 hour working mom would be making the same from 9 to 5, with the extra pay for the harder working and more dedicated man costing the company 1.5x or 2x for the next 20 hours.

All of a sudden, the working mom who can get her job done and get home to make dinner is actually the superior employee over the guy who works 60 hours to get his job done.

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You don't see too many women spending time on CFMB during working hours!

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Not sure if I agree. Rick seems to be posting quite a bit.

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Yup. On certain days, so is Caller Bobbie

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You don't seem concerned with worker's rights so much as you are with social engineering.

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And when the harder working man gets the next promotion because he puts in 20 more hours per week, you'll still be whining about a "wage gap". It seems as if you want businesses to subsidize child care. That's fine, maybe they should. But you seem to be pretending that it's about a man and a woman getting hired on the same day for the same position and the man being handed more, which I don't believe is pervasive.

I just saw the tortured CEO of Salesforce on 60 Minutes last night. Instead of fixing the problem he seems to think exists at his own business by giving the women more money, he'd rather complain that there is a societal problem. The same way the Obama administration did when Carney gave that press conference on the White House wage gap. All President Obama had to do was come in the next morning and give raises to all the women. Same thing for Benioff.

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It's more than this thread. You almost always side with business owners over the working class.

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No, I won't just like I'm not whining about part time workers getting more than full time workers.

Ok?

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No. He's the guy that doesn't believe in property rights.

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A more amusing solution would be to slash the pay of all the males. Presumably you thought you were paying your female employees well but inequitably. There is no immorality in adjusting downward rather than upward.

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I think you're confusing me with someone else. Seriously.

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And a more likely solution.

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I also remember some resistance to the minimum wage stuff but since you are a high level executive I understand.

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Yup. Can’t claim to be a workers rights guy in the same post you’re suggesting making it illegal to work harder than fellow employees.

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You have to try really hard to turn "no overtime without pay" to "making it illegal to work harder than fellow employees".

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Again, not me.

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No. I don’t at all. It’s completely antithetical to workers rights. You want to infantalize them.

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I don't understand what you are saying. It's a workers right to perform overtime and not get paid for it?

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