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Yup. Can’t claim to be a workers rights guy in the same post you’re suggesting making it illegal to work harder than fellow employees. :lol:
You have to try really hard to turn "no overtime without pay" to "making it illegal to work harder than fellow employees".

No. I don’t at all. It’s completely antithetical to workers rights. You want to infantalize them.

I don't understand what you are saying. It's a workers right to perform overtime and not get paid for it?

Yes. Why is that hard to understand?

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Getting paid for overtime has been fought for by workers for many decades. Are hourly workers infantalized?

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:lol: :lol: Fuckin' Rick:

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I'm not against raising the minimum wage in theory, but are you certain that raising the minimum wage would have the effect that you are hoping to achieve?

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I am a huge proponent of workers' rights. And the most important right to protect of all is the right to voluntarily agree to indentured servitude.


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:lol: :lol: Fuckin' Rick:

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I'm not against raising the minimum wage in theory, but are you certain that raising the minimum wage would have the effect that you are hoping to achieve?

"In theory". :lol:

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Most management and other similar roles don't even work a set number of hours. It would be impossible to quantify how many hours they work.

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Most management and other similar roles don't even work a set number of hours. It would be impossible to quantify how many hours they work.
We seem to know how many hours working mothers are working.

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So now a mom who puts in 40 hours is a better worker because she is more efficient than the guy putting in 60 hours. :lol:

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So now a mom who puts in 40 hours is a better worker because she is more efficient than the guy putting in 60 hours. :lol:

Um yes, a more efficient worker is a better worker? :lol:

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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:lol: :lol: Fuckin' Rick:

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I'm not against raising the minimum wage in theory, but are you certain that raising the minimum wage would have the effect that you are hoping to achieve?

"In theory". :lol:



You sound like one of those "DO SOMETHING!" Democrats. You feel good because of the doing no matter how terrible the results.

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Most management and other similar roles don't even work a set number of hours. It would be impossible to quantify how many hours they work.
We seem to know how many hours working mothers are working.


When the guy from the Fire Department has already worked his 40 and gets called for a fire, he can just let it go to voicemail.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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:lol: :lol: Fuckin' Rick:

Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
I'm not against raising the minimum wage in theory, but are you certain that raising the minimum wage would have the effect that you are hoping to achieve?

"In theory". :lol:



You sound like one of those "DO SOMETHING!" Democrats. You feel good because of the doing no matter how terrible the results.


This. Everything doesn't need to be fixed.

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Most management and other similar roles don't even work a set number of hours. It would be impossible to quantify how many hours they work.
We seem to know how many hours working mothers are working.


When the guy from the Fire Department has already worked his 40 and gets called for a fire, he can just let it go to voicemail.
Firefighters get overtime pay. :lol:

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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Most management and other similar roles don't even work a set number of hours. It would be impossible to quantify how many hours they work.
We seem to know how many hours working mothers are working.


When the guy from the Fire Department has already worked his 40 and gets called for a fire, he can just let it go to voicemail.
Firefighters get overtime pay. :lol:


I'm sure doctors don't. Should they not come in for the emergency surgery if they've hit their 40?

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First Responders, doctors, nurses, and military personal are generally exempt from any sort of overtime law.

They earn a couple of bucks an hour as "call pay" when they are on call.

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leashyourkids wrote:
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Most management and other similar roles don't even work a set number of hours. It would be impossible to quantify how many hours they work.
We seem to know how many hours working mothers are working.


When the guy from the Fire Department has already worked his 40 and gets called for a fire, he can just let it go to voicemail.
Firefighters get overtime pay. :lol:


I'm sure doctors don't. Should they not come in for the emergency surgery if they've hit their 40?

They would get paid extra for that in most cases.

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I am a huge proponent of workers' rights. And the most important right to protect of all is the right to voluntarily agree to indentured servitude.

It should tell you something that you had to misrepresent what is being argued in order to attempt to mock it.

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So now a mom who puts in 40 hours is a better worker because she is more efficient than the guy putting in 60 hours. :lol:

Um yes, a more efficient worker is a better worker? :lol:


What a ridiculous straw man argument. You are just presuming efficiency in this hypothetical instance that you created to support whatever you think you are arguing for at this point.

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leashyourkids wrote:
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Most management and other similar roles don't even work a set number of hours. It would be impossible to quantify how many hours they work.
We seem to know how many hours working mothers are working.


When the guy from the Fire Department has already worked his 40 and gets called for a fire, he can just let it go to voicemail.

Make it illegal for him to answer the phone.

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WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
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So now a mom who puts in 40 hours is a better worker because she is more efficient than the guy putting in 60 hours. :lol:

Um yes, a more efficient worker is a better worker? :lol:


What a ridiculous straw man argument. You are just presuming efficiency in this hypothetical instance that you created to support whatever you think you are arguing for at this point.
Straw man? That is what YOU said! :lol:

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I am a huge proponent of workers' rights. And the most important right to protect of all is the right to voluntarily agree to indentured servitude.

It should tell you something that you had to misrepresent what is being argued in order to attempt to mock it.
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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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Most management and other similar roles don't even work a set number of hours. It would be impossible to quantify how many hours they work.
We seem to know how many hours working mothers are working.


When the guy from the Fire Department has already worked his 40 and gets called for a fire, he can just let it go to voicemail.

Make it illegal for him to answer the phone.


:lol: :lol: :lol:

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Rick, you need to lay off the smilies for awhile. Maybe we should outlaw those too.

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Most management and other similar roles don't even work a set number of hours. It would be impossible to quantify how many hours they work.

I don't think it's impossible or even that difficult.


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Most management and other similar roles don't even work a set number of hours. It would be impossible to quantify how many hours they work.

I don't think it's impossible or even that difficult.


How do you quantify the pressure that the owner assumes each day along with how much risk they assume as well?

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How do you quantify the pressure that the owner assumes each day along with how much risk they assume as well?

There is a reason owners don't quit and become employees willingly.

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How do you quantify the pressure that the owner assumes each day along with how much risk they assume as well?

There is a reason owners don't quit and become employees willingly.


Way to not answer any meaningful questions, misrepresent peoples arguments, and use smiley faces whenever those aren't working. People who work long hours just are not as efficient as moms work 40-hour work weeks.

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How do you quantify the pressure that the owner assumes each day along with how much risk they assume as well?

There is a reason owners don't quit and become employees willingly.


Way to not answer any meaningful questions, misrepresent peoples arguments, and use smiley faces whenever those aren't working. People who work long hours just are not as efficient as moms work 40-hour work weeks.

That was YOUR thought! You said it. Not me.

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So now a mom who puts in 40 hours is a better worker because she is more efficient than the guy putting in 60 hours. :lol:

Um yes, a more efficient worker is a better worker? :lol:


What a ridiculous straw man argument. You are just presuming efficiency in this hypothetical instance that you created to support whatever you think you are arguing for at this point.

WaitingForRuffcorn reminding me of his statement brought me to this.

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Why would we every hope for this to be the case? Women are now abandoning their families to spend more time at the office! The professional class in this country already spends too much time at the office. And there is zero chance that people putting in 70 hours in the work place are doing good work the majority of the time.

:lol:

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