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Just what feminism needs: men speaking for women because they think they're women.


I think you just found a way to close the pay gap.

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I'm making fun of the concern about a parent choosing a gender neutral name. Choose a boys name. They still may end up different with the same likelihood as any other name.

While this may be true, it doesn't make these parents any less of a douchbag.

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I'm making fun of the concern about a parent choosing a gender neutral name. Choose a boys name. They still may end up different with the same likelihood as any other name.

While this may be true, it doesn't make these parents any less of a douchbag.



It's not just naming them some dumbass name.. It's what accompanies that. " You can be whatever you want to be Skylar.. A boy or a girl"

3 year old : I'm going to be a girl today

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I've seen worse than Riley and Avery.


We named our daughter Riley before all this gender identity bullshit. We just liked the name.

Ironic to see this post a couple days after I took my daughter shopping. She was looking at name tags and couldn't find anything with her name on it, so she says, "Maybe they have it in the boy section." So there is a plus to having a neutral name. :lol:


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Good thing you didn't name her Bort. They always run out of those.

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I'm making fun of the concern about a parent choosing a gender neutral name. Choose a boys name. They still may end up different with the same likelihood as any other name.
It's not the name.

It's the fact that there are parents out there actively raising their kids as gender neutral. That's insane and, IMO, boderline child abuse. Letting them be who they are is one thing. Letting them choose male or female is completely different.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PxqCGTkV5wg

Fuck Tucker. Tucker sucks.


Wouldn't Tucker be the perfect name for a gender neutral person born with male genitalia?


I'm not always looking for attention but this deserved at least one smilie from someone along the way.

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In all fairness, there have been a lot of human traits that turned out to be genetic, yet incorrectly diagnosed as psychological / mental health related for years. As a result, we post angry, uninformed threads on message boards.

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I'm making fun of the concern about a parent choosing a gender neutral name. Choose a boys name. They still may end up different with the same likelihood as any other name.
It's not the name.

It's the fact that there are parents out there actively raising their kids as gender neutral. That's insane and, IMO, boderline child abuse. Letting them be who they are is one thing. Letting them choose male or female is completely different.


Agreed, they don't know at a young age which gender they want to be. Just because Johnny likes to play dress up and put on makeup doesn't mean he wants to be a girl and just because Jane likes GI JOE and hates wearing a dress doesn't mean she wants to be a boy.

I think these Millenial parents are so concerned about being mainstream that they forget common sense and what is best for their children.


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My anger's still focused on the generation of Finns and Collinses I saw with my first child. So cute. Meanwhile, if I named my kid Bogdan his resume would be relegated to the bottom of a pile on an HR desk for eternity. I can't fight a second front so I'm allied with gender neutral.

One observation though is that gender neutral seems far more focused on nurturing feminization of humans born with male reproductive organs than the masculinization of humans born with female reproductive organs.

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I'm making fun of the concern about a parent choosing a gender neutral name. Choose a boys name. They still may end up different with the same likelihood as any other name.
It's not the name.

It's the fact that there are parents out there actively raising their kids as gender neutral. That's insane and, IMO, boderline child abuse. Letting them be who they are is one thing. Letting them choose male or female is completely different.

It depends on exactly what that means. I doubt there is an epidemic of parents teaching their kids that they aren't a boy or a girl. After about 2 years, I have yet to encounter another kid who is being raised that way and certainly not any parent that is bragging about how enlightened they are by raising them in this new way. Now, I have encountered parents who do dumb things in other ways, and I'm sure some people would look down on me for things I'm doing too. You only have to look as far as some of the shots IMU has taken at Chus that could describe me too, or what some people have said about working mothers and the "role" they should have. WaitingForRuffcorn basically came out and said that how we were raising our kid was wrong since my wife was "abandoning her child" to work a lot.

So, to get back to the point, if someone is raising their kids to avoid the "Boys play with trucks, and footballs, and army men" and "Girls play with kitchens, and dolls, and little pretty houses" to teach them that their role in society is supposed to match the 1950s then I don't see the issue. If it's an attempt to raise them without trying to put them into those types of gender roles then I can see it. It's not how we are doing things but I get it.

If we are talking about the truly insane parents that are almost forcing their kids to decide if they are a boy or a girl at an age where they really aren't capable of those types of topics that are even hard for adults to come to grips with then that is clearly wrong but as I said, I don't think it's incredibly common, and many of the occurrences are overblown.

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Agreed, they don't know at a young age which gender they want to be. Just because Johnny likes to play dress up and put on makeup doesn't mean he wants to be a girl and just because Jane likes GI JOE and hates wearing a dress doesn't mean she wants to be a boy.
I'd say a big difference is that a generation ago that type of behavior would be "corrected" by parents who were afraid of it.

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Good thing you didn't name her Bort. They always run out of those.

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Agreed, they don't know at a young age which gender they want to be. Just because Johnny likes to play dress up and put on makeup doesn't mean he wants to be a girl and just because Jane likes GI JOE and hates wearing a dress doesn't mean she wants to be a boy.
I'd say a big difference is that a generation ago that type of behavior would be "corrected" by parents who were afraid of it.


I would agree with that also. But two wrongs don't make a right. Balance is always the correct answer.


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mothers and the "role" they should have. WaitingForRuffcorn basically came out and said that how we were raising our kid was wrong since my wife was "abandoning her child" to work a lot


I do believe that one parent should stay home. Doesn't have to the mother, but having two parents working long hours does hurt the dynamics of a family.

Not everyone is in a position for one parent to stay home, but the ones that choose to work instead of downsizing their expenses and lifestyle, should not be having children.


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mothers and the "role" they should have. WaitingForRuffcorn basically came out and said that how we were raising our kid was wrong since my wife was "abandoning her child" to work a lot


I do believe that one parent should stay home. Doesn't have to the mother, but having two parents working long hours does hurt the dynamics of a family.

Not everyone is in a position for one parent to stay home, but the ones that choose to work instead of downsizing their expenses and lifestyle, should not be having children.


No way, I know plenty of couples where both adults would be horrible stay at home parents and be miserable the whole time but they're great and loving working parents. There's a big leap between working and working long hours.


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My anger's still focused on the generation of Finns and Collinses I saw with my first child. So cute. Meanwhile, if I named my kid Bogdan his resume would be relegated to the bottom of a pile on an HR desk for eternity. I can't fight a second front so I'm allied with gender neutral.

One observation though is that gender neutral seems far more focused on nurturing feminization of humans born with male reproductive organs than the masculinization of humans born with female reproductive organs.


I wish people would stick to good built-to-last Biblical names and the like. The kids are the ones who have to live with their names. If you feel absolutely compelled to name someone Harper, Baileigh, or Finnegan, name your dog that. The dog doesn't care and it dies in 12 years.

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we have great friends who i think figured it out. they have 3 kids and all were involved in too much. these people hardly ever saw their kids, it was killing their marriage. they were on the verge of divorce 5 years ago because of it. they both worked long hours and then when done, they spent all evening shuttling kids around to every practice/event imaginable

they finally realized this was not for them....made kids pick 1 or 2 hobbies instead of all of them, and they both explained to their bosses that things were changing. both bosses totally on board. i think they found a great balance.


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I wish people would stick to good built-to-last Biblical names and the like. The kids are the ones who have to live with their names. If you feel absolutely compelled to name someone Harper, Baileigh, or Finnegan, name your dog that. The dog doesn't care and it dies in 12 years.

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I'm making fun of the concern about a parent choosing a gender neutral name. Choose a boys name. They still may end up different with the same likelihood as any other name.
It's not the name.

It's the fact that there are parents out there actively raising their kids as gender neutral. That's insane and, IMO, boderline child abuse. Letting them be who they are is one thing. Letting them choose male or female is completely different.

It depends on exactly what that means. I doubt there is an epidemic of parents teaching their kids that they aren't a boy or a girl. After about 2 years, I have yet to encounter another kid who is being raised that way and certainly not any parent that is bragging about how enlightened they are by raising them in this new way. Now, I have encountered parents who do dumb things in other ways, and I'm sure some people would look down on me for things I'm doing too. You only have to look as far as some of the shots IMU has taken at Chus that could describe me too, or what some people have said about working mothers and the "role" they should have. WaitingForRuffcorn basically came out and said that how we were raising our kid was wrong since my wife was "abandoning her child" to work a lot.

So, to get back to the point, if someone is raising their kids to avoid the "Boys play with trucks, and footballs, and army men" and "Girls play with kitchens, and dolls, and little pretty houses" to teach them that their role in society is supposed to match the 1950s then I don't see the issue. If it's an attempt to raise them without trying to put them into those types of gender roles then I can see it. It's not how we are doing things but I get it.

If we are talking about the truly insane parents that are almost forcing their kids to decide if they are a boy or a girl at an age where they really aren't capable of those types of topics that are even hard for adults to come to grips with then that is clearly wrong but as I said, I don't think it's incredibly common, and many of the occurrences are overblown.


Wow.

Are you saying we shouldn’t do anything just because it doesn’t affect everyone?

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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I'm making fun of the concern about a parent choosing a gender neutral name. Choose a boys name. They still may end up different with the same likelihood as any other name.
It's not the name.

It's the fact that there are parents out there actively raising their kids as gender neutral. That's insane and, IMO, boderline child abuse. Letting them be who they are is one thing. Letting them choose male or female is completely different.

It depends on exactly what that means. I doubt there is an epidemic of parents teaching their kids that they aren't a boy or a girl. After about 2 years, I have yet to encounter another kid who is being raised that way and certainly not any parent that is bragging about how enlightened they are by raising them in this new way. Now, I have encountered parents who do dumb things in other ways, and I'm sure some people would look down on me for things I'm doing too. You only have to look as far as some of the shots IMU has taken at Chus that could describe me too, or what some people have said about working mothers and the "role" they should have. WaitingForRuffcorn basically came out and said that how we were raising our kid was wrong since my wife was "abandoning her child" to work a lot.

So, to get back to the point, if someone is raising their kids to avoid the "Boys play with trucks, and footballs, and army men" and "Girls play with kitchens, and dolls, and little pretty houses" to teach them that their role in society is supposed to match the 1950s then I don't see the issue. If it's an attempt to raise them without trying to put them into those types of gender roles then I can see it. It's not how we are doing things but I get it.

If we are talking about the truly insane parents that are almost forcing their kids to decide if they are a boy or a girl at an age where they really aren't capable of those types of topics that are even hard for adults to come to grips with then that is clearly wrong but as I said, I don't think it's incredibly common, and many of the occurrences are overblown.


Wow.

Are you saying we shouldn’t do anything just because it doesn’t affect everyone?

What are we going to do? Take kids away with gender neutral names?

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ive got a great idea, give our kids as many decisions as possible. that is how the real world works!

holy fuck. parents are SUPPOSED to shape their kids lives. THATS PARENTING! its gotten so bad we have to let them decide if their dick is real or not?

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You’re part of the problem. There is make up on your hands.

Be an example to others that small minded small town people can change.

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I'm making fun of the concern about a parent choosing a gender neutral name. Choose a boys name. They still may end up different with the same likelihood as any other name.
It's not the name.

It's the fact that there are parents out there actively raising their kids as gender neutral. That's insane and, IMO, boderline child abuse. Letting them be who they are is one thing. Letting them choose male or female is completely different.

It depends on exactly what that means. I doubt there is an epidemic of parents teaching their kids that they aren't a boy or a girl. After about 2 years, I have yet to encounter another kid who is being raised that way and certainly not any parent that is bragging about how enlightened they are by raising them in this new way. Now, I have encountered parents who do dumb things in other ways, and I'm sure some people would look down on me for things I'm doing too. You only have to look as far as some of the shots IMU has taken at Chus that could describe me too, or what some people have said about working mothers and the "role" they should have. WaitingForRuffcorn basically came out and said that how we were raising our kid was wrong since my wife was "abandoning her child" to work a lot.

So, to get back to the point, if someone is raising their kids to avoid the "Boys play with trucks, and footballs, and army men" and "Girls play with kitchens, and dolls, and little pretty houses" to teach them that their role in society is supposed to match the 1950s then I don't see the issue. If it's an attempt to raise them without trying to put them into those types of gender roles then I can see it. It's not how we are doing things but I get it.

If we are talking about the truly insane parents that are almost forcing their kids to decide if they are a boy or a girl at an age where they really aren't capable of those types of topics that are even hard for adults to come to grips with then that is clearly wrong but as I said, I don't think it's incredibly common, and many of the occurrences are overblown.

You and Chus aren't in similar situations. He actually has marketable skills.

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ive got a great idea, give our kids as many decisions as possible. that is how the real world works!

holy fuck. parents are SUPPOSED to shape their kids lives. THATS PARENTING! its gotten so bad we have to let them decide if their dick is real or not?


They are going to mf you as teenagers either way.

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I'm making fun of the concern about a parent choosing a gender neutral name. Choose a boys name. They still may end up different with the same likelihood as any other name.
It's not the name.

It's the fact that there are parents out there actively raising their kids as gender neutral. That's insane and, IMO, boderline child abuse. Letting them be who they are is one thing. Letting them choose male or female is completely different.

It depends on exactly what that means. I doubt there is an epidemic of parents teaching their kids that they aren't a boy or a girl. After about 2 years, I have yet to encounter another kid who is being raised that way and certainly not any parent that is bragging about how enlightened they are by raising them in this new way. Now, I have encountered parents who do dumb things in other ways, and I'm sure some people would look down on me for things I'm doing too. You only have to look as far as some of the shots IMU has taken at Chus that could describe me too, or what some people have said about working mothers and the "role" they should have. WaitingForRuffcorn basically came out and said that how we were raising our kid was wrong since my wife was "abandoning her child" to work a lot.

So, to get back to the point, if someone is raising their kids to avoid the "Boys play with trucks, and footballs, and army men" and "Girls play with kitchens, and dolls, and little pretty houses" to teach them that their role in society is supposed to match the 1950s then I don't see the issue. If it's an attempt to raise them without trying to put them into those types of gender roles then I can see it. It's not how we are doing things but I get it.

If we are talking about the truly insane parents that are almost forcing their kids to decide if they are a boy or a girl at an age where they really aren't capable of those types of topics that are even hard for adults to come to grips with then that is clearly wrong but as I said, I don't think it's incredibly common, and many of the occurrences are overblown.


You are a flat out liar, and why so emotional?

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Why would we every hope for this to be the case? Women are now abandoning their families to spend more time at the office! The professional class in this country already spends too much time at the office. And there is zero chance that people putting in 70 hours in the work place are doing good work the majority of the time.

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Why would we every hope for this to be the case? Women are now abandoning their families to spend more time at the office! The professional class in this country already spends too much time at the office. And there is zero chance that people putting in 70 hours in the work place are doing good work the majority of the time.


You could not be more dishonest.

1. I do not know your personal situation, and I have not commented on it ever.

The above is clearly a discussion of what I believe to be a strange desire for workers to put in more hours, and it was specifically responding to something Mike said. Your position on this seems highly personal. It affects you so the wage gap must be true, and any opposing views is a personal affront.

Capitalism is a system based on inequality. Why does this (supposed) inequality need to be stamped out and corrected for? Should there then be structural alterations to the system based on the year you were born? Or what about your IQ level which is highly arbitrary?

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