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It finally hit me today. That's what they are going for. Decent sports talk with little humor and a good amount of guests. Nothing special but good enough for background noise.

It shows how special B&B was. They feel they can't recreate it and instead it's milquetoast radio.

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It finally hit me today. That's what they are going for. Decent sports talk with little humor and a good amount of guests. Nothing special but good enough for background noise.

It shows how special B&B was. They feel they can't recreate it and instead it's milquetoast radio.

I agree. You can't recreate what they had because it has to be those people in those roles.

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Dan centered his whole persona on treating sports fandom and sports talk radio as absurd. It would be kind of sad hearing him now try to do a straight sports talk show just to keep his job if he didn't spend the last few years going over the edge as a condescending SJW.


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Dan centered his whole persona on treating sports fandom and sports talk radio as absurd. It would be kind of sad hearing him now try to do a straight sports talk show just to keep his job if he didn't spend the last few years going over the edge as a condescending SJW.
You are the guy that posts ratings as the only thing that matters though.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
It finally hit me today. That's what they are going for. Decent sports talk with little humor and a good amount of guests. Nothing special but good enough for background noise.

It shows how special B&B was. They feel they can't recreate it and instead it's milquetoast radio.



What a novel idea. Actually discussing sports on a Sports station in the hope of attracting listeners.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
It finally hit me today. That's what they are going for. Decent sports talk with little humor and a good amount of guests. Nothing special but good enough for background noise.

It shows how special B&B was. They feel they can't recreate it and instead it's milquetoast radio.


It does.

Dan could recreate that. He was goofy and fun when he was hosting on nights and weekends solo before B&B.

It's easier to be a straight sports show. Don't offend anyone and just churn through each four hour shift on a slow and steady march towards his radio death.

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The Boers and Bernstein of the late 90s early 2000's was fun. I thought Dan would most likely go national around 2005 or so, but then he doubled down the shtick of insulting callers and it got predictably boring.

Then he went all SJW far left and now is just trying to have a job.

Maybe humility to him, I don't know. I think he is talented, but his extreme positions really hurt him


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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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Dan centered his whole persona on treating sports fandom and sports talk radio as absurd. It would be kind of sad hearing him now try to do a straight sports talk show just to keep his job if he didn't spend the last few years going over the edge as a condescending SJW.
You are the guy that posts ratings as the only thing that matters though.


What does this have to do with anything in my post?


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Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
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Dan centered his whole persona on treating sports fandom and sports talk radio as absurd. It would be kind of sad hearing him now try to do a straight sports talk show just to keep his job if he didn't spend the last few years going over the edge as a condescending SJW.
You are the guy that posts ratings as the only thing that matters though.


What does this have to do with anything in my post?

Why would it be sad if he was maximizing ratings?

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The Boers and Bernstein of the late 90s early 2000's was fun. I thought Dan would most likely go national around 2005 or so, but then he doubled down the shtick of insulting callers and it got predictably boring.

Then he went all SJW far left and now is just trying to have a job.

Maybe humility to him, I don't know. I think he is talented, but his extreme positions really hurt him



His inability to see the other side of topics is a huge problem.


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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
Dan centered his whole persona on treating sports fandom and sports talk radio as absurd. It would be kind of sad hearing him now try to do a straight sports talk show just to keep his job if he didn't spend the last few years going over the edge as a condescending SJW.
You are the guy that posts ratings as the only thing that matters though.


What does this have to do with anything in my post?

Why would it be sad if he was maximizing ratings?


Stop trying so hard to argue, Rick.


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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
It shows how special B&B was. They feel they can't recreate it and instead it's milquetoast radio.

when they first announced goffralopithicus was replacing terry i believe i came on here and called B&G "B&B Methadone" because the "new show" was essentially trying to "carry on the legacy of b&b" but uhhhh, as both time and common sense would inexorably tell us; there's no replacing that B with a G to end up with the double B treatment.

and hey, you know with B&G let's just say that wasn't "milque" on the toast #StickToRelevantContent =P

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The Boers and Bernstein of the late 90s early 2000's was fun. I thought Dan would most likely go national around 2005 or so, but then he doubled down the shtick of insulting callers and it got predictably boring.

Then he went all SJW far left and now is just trying to have a job.

Maybe humility to him, I don't know. I think he is talented, but his extreme positions really hurt him



Dan's time to go national would have been before 2005. He chose to play the smart kid in the dumb row at the Score instead. He can never say he wasn't warned.

Now he is doing everyday what he considered to be beneath him for the previous decade.

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The Boers and Bernstein of the late 90s early 2000's was fun. I thought Dan would most likely go national around 2005 or so, but then he doubled down the shtick of insulting callers and it got predictably boring.

Then he went all SJW far left and now is just trying to have a job.

Maybe humility to him, I don't know. I think he is talented, but his extreme positions really hurt him



Dan's time to go national would have been before 2005. He chose to play the smart kid in the dumb row at the Score instead. He can never say he wasn't warned.

Now he is doing everyday what he considered to be beneath him for the previous decade.


The other option is that he's biding his time while cashing his paycheck. Nothing in radio last forever and that includes DeCastro. If he plays his cards righ, the next drive-time show on the Score could be Bernstein/Parkins

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Dan centered his whole persona on treating sports fandom and sports talk radio as absurd. It would be kind of sad hearing him now try to do a straight sports talk show just to keep his job if he didn't spend the last few years going over the edge as a condescending SJW.


I think there's a subtle line there and once Bernstein crossed it, he could never get back. Yeah, sports fandom is absurd and entire radio shows dwelling on sports are absurd. The thing is though, we watch and listen anyway. Instead of sharing a joke with the listener Bernstein got to a point where it was obvious he had nothing but contempt for the listener. There's really no going back from that. When you ask, "Why do you care?" enough times, there is going to be a segment of the audience that eventually says to himself, "Yeah, why do I care?" and pushes the fucking button.

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. Decent sports talk with little humor and a good amount of guests. Nothing special but good enough for background noise.

It shows how special B&B was. They feel they can't recreate it and instead it's milquetoast radio.


I agree with this. The show has about a 2.5 WAR for me. Nothing spectacular but better than average. It doesn't offend me or get me to PTFB and when they have boring topics, I just FF. I continue to listen mainly due to content. It's Chicago sports talk and it fills a niche for me. There are quite a few podcasts that I listen to for the same reasons. The hosts are nothing extraordinary but the topic discussed draws my attention.

And while it would be difficult to recreate B&B, they can do better than B&M. McKnight is the epitome of replacement level sports talk show host. There has to be other Danny Parkins out in radioland.

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Dan centered his whole persona on treating sports fandom and sports talk radio as absurd. It would be kind of sad hearing him now try to do a straight sports talk show just to keep his job if he didn't spend the last few years going over the edge as a condescending SJW.


I think there's a subtle line there and once Bernstein crossed it, he could never get back. Yeah, sports fandom is absurd and entire radio shows dwelling on sports are absurd. The thing is though, we watch and listen anyway. Instead of sharing a joke with the listener Bernstein got to a point where it was obvious he had nothing but contempt for the listener. There's really no going back from that. When you ask, "Why do you care?" enough times, there is going to be a segment of the audience that eventually says to himself, "Yeah, why do I care?" and pushes the fucking button.


That is true and it will be hard for Bernsie to get it back. He is a chameleon though and if someone can do it he would be the likely one. I found an old interview of him by some smallish outlet in Chicago from years ago. I probably can't dig it up again but he basically stated what I felt all along. The hate of callers and the show they did was calculated and planned. It probably went too far off the rails about Penn State or Kaner time but it was an act.

No can he be believable enough to get it back after going to his pre act persona? We will see.

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Dan centered his whole persona on treating sports fandom and sports talk radio as absurd. It would be kind of sad hearing him now try to do a straight sports talk show just to keep his job if he didn't spend the last few years going over the edge as a condescending SJW.


I think there's a subtle line there and once Bernstein crossed it, he could never get back. Yeah, sports fandom is absurd and entire radio shows dwelling on sports are absurd. The thing is though, we watch and listen anyway. Instead of sharing a joke with the listener Bernstein got to a point where it was obvious he had nothing but contempt for the listener. There's really no going back from that. When you ask, "Why do you care?" enough times, there is going to be a segment of the audience that eventually says to himself, "Yeah, why do I care?" and pushes the fucking button.


That is true and it will be hard for Bernsie to get it back. He is a chameleon though and if someone can do it he would be the likely one. I found an old interview of him by some smallish outlet in Chicago from years ago. I probably can't dig it up again but he basically stated what I felt all along. The hate of callers and the show they did was calculated and planned. It probably went too far off the rails about Penn State or Kaner time but it was an act.

No can he be believable enough to get it back after going to his pre act persona? We will see.


I also don't think Dan is the type of person that comes across as a relatable personality. He's spent a decade perfecting his voice as an intellectual who has evolved beyond dick jokes to tales of calling CVS corporate, and he's been so indulged by Mitch over the last few years that there is no longer any kind of tether to the "normal" people who are once again the target of his show. He's pushed so many listeners away recently, but now has nothing left to relate to the ones who still remain.


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W&S might be boring but the guys are likable and listeners can relate with them.

Bernstein is the exact opposite.


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It's easier to be a straight sports show.


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It's easier to be a straight sports show.


I must have missed the gay sports shows.


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That is the problem with the thought these days that I am this or that until I am not. People remember.

Great point—you can’t just flip positions every few years and think people won’t notice. For example, Roe Conn started as a liberal host after Rush to “balance” things out. Then he became conservative. Now he leans left again and just sucks, and has zero credibility with anyone that has listened for a while.


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"W&S might be boring but the guys are likable and listeners can relate with them."

I don't think they're boring, they're just non-controversial but otherwise you're right; likeable and relatable.


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Great point—you can’t just flip positions every few years and think people won’t notice.

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It's easier to be a straight sports show.


I must have missed the gay sports shows.


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Good point. Betting Hockey Gay was a big fan of that show.


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