Theo is a superjew.

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Theo: greatest Jew since Jesus?

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If you took Scottie's roids away his weak skinny ass would be bruised and bloodied by Dolph Schayes.

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Fuck Jesus

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I know one thing for certain. "No Tippin" Pippin was definitely better than Danny Schayes. What a damn stiff!

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I don't think Dolph Schayes was as good as Pippen due to the evolution of basketball and the expanded talent pool/skills development/training, etc.

But I also think people underestimate athletes of yesteryear. Sometimes it sounds like people think old players like Schayes would just be some good pickup player today, which is ridiculous. He was 6'8", probably ripped, and likely more athletic than anyone any of us have played against. He would still be a badass.

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Some people underestimate them. I don’t think I do. I’ve said there’s many players from the 60’s that would dominate today. Russell, West, Oscar, Wilt, Sam Jones, etc.

Dolph Schayes is not one of those guys.

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Seriously, I think that's probably about right.

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I seem to remember Bernstein laughing his ass off at the notion that white guy Mickey Mantle was as fast as Billy Hamilton until someone sent in his home to first time . Though now I think about it he was probably right . Those small tiny white clocks in the 50s can’t possibly be as accurate as those new fangled ones we have today

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It aint the six minutes. Its what happens in those six minutes.

Maybe Dolph could beat him in a fist fight. The outcome on a basketball court wouldn’t be close. Schayes would struggle to even get a shot off.

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Well, I'm not saying he would dominate, either.

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He didn't really dominate in his time though. He was just a really good player. I wouldn't call Scottie a "dominant" player, would you?

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Maybe not dominant. (I think he was really close to that line. I think he's an all time great player in any era. I obviously don't think Schayes is. And I think I've made it clear by now that has nothing to do with not respecting older generations of athletes.

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I flat out don't think he would be a good NBA player. It's hard to think of a skill he would be good at if you see old tapes of him.

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That's the thing. They're not "tapes", they're films and films degrade and make it appear everyone is in slow motion. Do you think you would run circles around your grandfathers when they were 20? You would if you saw them running on 70 year old film.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EL2s7i86rog

Fuck! Look at that shot! Maybe Steph Curry is a better comp.

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Make him a world class athlete (even though he wasn't). Doesn't matter. He would have to completely reinvent his shooting form to start with/ After that, he would have to actually get really damn good at shooting due to his height and lack of wingspan. He would also have to learn how to handle the ball and pass like a modern wing player.

It's just ridiculous IMO to suggest he would still be a good player today. The game looks entirely different than it did 10 years ago, let alone 40 years ago. His skill set from his time doesn't translate to today.

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312player

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Shawn Marion has the ugliest shot form of all time, but Schayes is close.

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Yeah, but you have to assume he would have different skills if he developed today. I have no idea if he could play today, but those videos don't tell us a lot.

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Shawn Marion don't have nothin' on Noah or Lonzo.

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Shawn Marion don't have nothin' on Noah or Lonzo.

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Lonzo's is on the wrong side of his head, but it's not terrible form otherwise.

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They tell us he would have to be a completely different player in order to play today. That's not true of most other great players from back in the day.

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Marion's is worse than Noah. Noah just couldn't shoot much. Marion could actually shoot and had a quicker uglier version of Noah's form.

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Noah shoots like a girl, heaved from his chest.

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That's probably true. He played so long ago, it's just too hard to tell. But I do think some tend to underestimate the athleticism of players back in the day. They didn't have the resources of today, but they were still great athletes.

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I don't know about that. A guy who can shoot can play in any era. I'm gonna say he'd be pretty much like Kevin Love if he played today. Probably a better shooter.

To take it a step further, Jordan isn't really that great. Because he played thirty years ago and was just dominating guys with shitty skills sets. Am I doing it right?

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You’re doing something I don’t do. You struggle in these debates because I don’t fit your caricature of the “modern fan”.

Zero chance Schayes would be the shooter Love is today. It’s an absurd suggestion. Notice how in all those clips he’s not being defended on the perimeter one single time. Any above average wing defender would eat him alive.

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That's just claptrap. You have no idea what he would do with a defender trying to guard him. The guy was a great shooter. I'm sure he'd be a great shooter in anyone's league at any time.

But it's hard to criticize the way the game was played 40 years ago without taking down some sacred cows. If you're going to make such arguments you're going to have to deal with that.

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