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PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2018 10:11 am 
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I honestly haven't been to a Dick's in years. Not because of a boycott, but because we have Scheels and they are far superior in every respect. I literally have no reason to ever walk into any sporting goods store.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2018 10:55 am 
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dicks is the fastest entrance into the mall where i can get chick fil a. and i check their fishing clearance aisle as well.

but their selections are horrible. shoes, fishing stuff, sporting equipment, all bad. their golf selection is ok and they do fitting but i'm not sure they know what they are even doing there.


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 21, 2018 11:10 am 
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Preliminary injunction in Oregon denied, though it seems likely the judge decided Dick's lawyers were right, that an injunction telling a Dick's property to stop not selling a gun to this kid would have the same effect as a judgement handed down, all without the trial process. Also, grasping at "Oregon law makes armed security guards be 21!" by the attorneys representing the store should be pretty telling.

http://www.mailtribune.com/news/2018041 ... 1-gun-suit

In denying a motion to halt store policies barring gun sales to people younger than 21 while a lawsuit pends, a judge has sided in favor of Dick’s Sporting Goods in the early stages of a lawsuit by a 20-year-old who claims his civil rights were violated when the store refused to sell him a gun.

Jackson County Circuit Judge Ron Grensky denied a motion April 4 for preliminary injunction and temporary restraining order in the suit filed by Tyler Watson, 20, against Dick’s Sporting Goods.

Watson alleges “illegal and discriminatory” practices on grounds that the Medford Field and Stream store refused to sell him a rifle the last week of February, because of a store policy that went into effect following the Feb. 14 school shooting in Parkland, Florida.

Watson, who said in the suit he lives in Gold Hill, made national headlines last month when he filed the Jackson County lawsuit, as well as one in Josephine County against Walmart because he was also denied a gun at the company’s Grants Pass store.

The lawsuits are among the first filed over new store policies that have gone into effect since the Florida shooting. A Battle Creek, Michigan, 18-year-old filed a similar suit against Dick’s within a week of Watson’s suit, according to news reports.

Grensky’s order came after a March 26 hearing in which two Grants Pass lawyers representing Watson and two Portland lawyers representing the sporting goods chain appeared.

Documents filed March 25 by Dick’s say the store enacted the policy Feb. 28, after learning that Parkland shooter Nikolas Cruz had legally purchased a gun at a Dick’s Sporting Goods store ahead of the Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School shooting that killed 17 people and injured 17 others.

“In the wake of this massacre, and not wanting to be a part of this story any longer, DSG (Dick’s Sporting Goods) decided to take a stand to help protect schoolchildren in the communities in which it does business,” the document says, and notes that other stores in Oregon have rolled out similar policies, such as Bi-Mart, REI, and Fred Meyer parent company Kroger.

Dick’s lawyers argue that a temporary restraining order would be akin to a final judgment. The store would be compelled to sell Watson a firearm, “rendering moot” the injunctive relief he seeks.


“Despite his prayer for relief purportedly on behalf of all ’18, 19 and 20-year-old customers,′ Plaintiff did not file this case as a class action and he has no standing to seek relief on behalf of similarly situated persons,” a footnote says.

The document separately addresses a widely circulated letter by Oregon Bureau of Labor and Industries Commissioner Brad Avakian that said, “age discrimination in the sale of firearms is illegal under Oregon law.”

Dick’s lawyers argue that the purpose of the letter was to say that nothing would preclude an individual from filing a claim, though each case must be decided on its own merits.

“The letter does not state that the refusal to sell firearms to those under 21 is illegal, and it expresses no opinion on the merits of any potential claim,” the document says.

Dick’s lawyers also argue that businesses have long been able to impose age-based restrictions without running afoul of the Oregon Public Accommodation Act, statutes at the core of Watson’s argument, such as age limits on tobacco sales, gifts to minors, car rentals and insurance laws.

The document further cites Oregon laws regarding age-based “distinctions” concerning firearms, using as examples specific Oregon laws requiring armed private security workers to be at least 21 years old, and limits for state concealed handgun licenses to those 21 and older.

“These laws support the conclusion that, even if not expressly carved out of the OPAA, the reasonable restriction by a retailer limiting sales of firearms and ammunition to persons at least 21 years of age is permissible,” the document says.

Watson’s lawyers canceled a separate Josephine County preliminary injunction hearing against Walmart, which had been scheduled for earlier this month, court records show. No upcoming court dates have yet been set in either the Jackson or Josephine county cases.

Watson’s lawyers filed new complaints April 6 in both suits that strip language related to “punitive damages in an amount to be determined because of the willful nature of the discrimination.”

Further, the amended Jackson County complaint corrects the date Watson unsuccessfully tried to purchase a rifle at the Medford Field and Stream store, from Feb. 24 to Feb. 28 — the date that the Dick’s store policy on under-21 gun sales went into effect.


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 21, 2018 11:16 am 
Juicy Fruit, a judge has spoken. You must respect his decision. Your opinion on this no longer matters.


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 21, 2018 11:19 am 
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Baby McNown wrote:
Juicy Fruit, a judge has spoken. You must respect his decision. Your opinion on this no longer matters.


It's a decision on a preliminary injunction, nimrod.

https://kobi5.com/news/injunction-again ... ase-74495/

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Whittington believes that his client’s claim still has a very good chance at success.

“The judge indicated that he thinks that we have a very good case on the merits,” said Whittington. “We weren’t able to show irreparable injury at this time which is fine. We’ll move for summary judgement and I’m confident we’ll win at that stage.”


I'm not going to go and find the actual decision on this, I'll give the attorney the benefit of the doubt and assume he's not bullshitting about what the judge said in his decision on the injunction. That's not good for Dick's.


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 21, 2018 11:25 am 
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I'm not going to go and find the actual decision on this,


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 21, 2018 11:29 am 
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:roll: Do you think there's a difference between the availability of, say, a Supreme Court decision and a judge's ruling on a motion in an ongoing civil suit in Josephine County, Oregon?


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 21, 2018 11:36 am 
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:roll: Do you think there's a difference between the availability of, say, a Supreme Court decision and a judge's ruling on a motion in an ongoing civil suit in Josephine County, Oregon?

Do you not understand that until there is an appeal and it heads up the ladder and is ruled upon by a higher court that this judge's ruling stands? Even Kindergarten Lawyer should know that. Maybe time to downgrade you to Pre-School Lawyer.


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 21, 2018 11:37 am 
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Baby McNown wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
:roll: Do you think there's a difference between the availability of, say, a Supreme Court decision and a judge's ruling on a motion in an ongoing civil suit in Josephine County, Oregon?

Do you not understand that until there is an appeal and it heads up the ladder and is ruled upon by a higher court that this judge's ruling stands? Even Kindergarten Lawyer should know that. Maybe time to downgrade you to Pre-School Lawyer.


Do you know what a preliminary injunction is? Do you know why it is called "preliminary"?


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 21, 2018 11:42 am 
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
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:roll: Do you think there's a difference between the availability of, say, a Supreme Court decision and a judge's ruling on a motion in an ongoing civil suit in Josephine County, Oregon?

Do you not understand that until there is an appeal and it heads up the ladder and is ruled upon by a higher court that this judge's ruling stands? Even Kindergarten Lawyer should know that. Maybe time to downgrade you to Pre-School Lawyer.


Do you know what a preliminary injunction is? Do you know why it is called "preliminary"?

Yup. What other rulings have been issued to this point?


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Baby McNown wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
Baby McNown wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
:roll: Do you think there's a difference between the availability of, say, a Supreme Court decision and a judge's ruling on a motion in an ongoing civil suit in Josephine County, Oregon?

Do you not understand that until there is an appeal and it heads up the ladder and is ruled upon by a higher court that this judge's ruling stands? Even Kindergarten Lawyer should know that. Maybe time to downgrade you to Pre-School Lawyer.


Do you know what a preliminary injunction is? Do you know why it is called "preliminary"?

Yup. What other rulings have been issued to this point?


What exactly are you spiking the ball on, here? The case hasn't been decided, shit, it hasn't even been argued.


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 21, 2018 11:55 am 
Hmmmm. A court order has been issued. I know you are mad about it, but until it is heard this injunction stands. Boy you are really bad at this.


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Hmmmm. A court order has been issued. I know you are mad about it, but until it is heard this injunction stands. Boy you are really bad at this.


:lol: You have no fucking clue what you're talking about.


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 21, 2018 12:20 pm 
(At some point he will give up right?)


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 21, 2018 12:28 pm 
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It seems as though the judge is saying that the injunction was denied because either it should be a part of a larger trial or that it doesn't merit (I dont know what they call this in legal terms) immediate loss meaning an injunction is inappropriate as there is time to settle this thru the trial process?

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 21, 2018 12:34 pm 
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It seems as though the judge is saying that the injunction was denied because either it should be a part of a larger trial or that it doesn't merit (I dont know what they call this in legal terms) immediate loss meaning an injunction is inappropriate as there is time to settle this thru the trial process?


Yeah they didn't show "irreparable harm" which from my limited knowledge is a harm that cannot be remedied by money damages. WHY they couldn't show irreparable harm is something I'd have to see the written ruling to understand better, it could be a mix of "you can go to another store" as well as "this isn't a class-action, so you are the only one the court cares about being 'harmed'".

From what the kid's attorney said, though, it sounds like the judge said the case has a likelihood of winning on the merits, which is another requirement for engaging a court's injunctive powers before trial.


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It seems as though the judge is saying that the injunction was denied because either it should be a part of a larger trial or that it doesn't merit (I dont know what they call this in legal terms) immediate loss meaning an injunction is inappropriate as there is time to settle this thru the trial process?


Yeah they didn't show "irreparable harm" which from my limited knowledge is a harm that cannot be remedied by money damages. WHY they couldn't show irreparable harm is something I'd have to see the written ruling to understand better, it could be a mix of "you can go to another store" as well as "this isn't a class-action, so you are the only one the court cares about being 'harmed'".

From what the kid's attorney said, though, it sounds like the judge said the case has a likelihood of winning on the merits, which is another requirement for engaging a court's injunctive powers before trial.

Got it. Yeah it seems appropriate to deny that motion even with the larger case having merit to proceed.
This makes sense. I do furnaces. I dont know shit about this law crap. Alls I know is lawyers use 100 words when 10 will suffice.

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Truth be told this seems like a "fuck yeah" lawsuit. Ultimately a waste of time and money.
I wonder if dicks shareholders are planning something regarding the destruction of the stores inventory.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 22, 2018 1:30 pm 
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Truth be told this seems like a "fuck yeah" lawsuit. Ultimately a waste of time and money.
I wonder if dicks shareholders are planning something regarding the destruction of the stores inventory.

If I were a shareholder, I'd be pissed before this fiasco went down as in a 12 month period where the market went up ~20%, their shares have decreased by 40% from $50 a share down to $30. Their actions over the last few months aren't going to reverse that either.

The Twitter outrage crowd they are working to appease doesn't exactly spend money on their products.

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Truth be told this seems like a "fuck yeah" lawsuit. Ultimately a waste of time and money.
I wonder if dicks shareholders are planning something regarding the destruction of the stores inventory.

If I were a shareholder, I'd be pissed before this fiasco went down as in a 12 month period where the market went up ~20%, their shares have decreased by 40% from $50 a share down to $30. Their actions over the last few months aren't going to reverse that either.

The Twitter outrage crowd they are working to appease doesn't exactly spend money on their products.

It's retail. They are all slowly dying like the kids in high schools.

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Same store sales fell 4% during the 1st quarter after announcing their new policies. This was a quarter which the overall retail sector saw as being the best in a decade. All of their competitors are seeing rising same store metrics.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/dicks-says ... 1535565173

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Same store sales fell 4% during the 1st quarter after announcing their new policies. This was a quarter which the overall retail sector saw as being the best in a decade. All of their competitors are seeing rising same store metrics.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/dicks-says ... 1535565173
I thought no one bought guns from them anyways and instead shopped local?

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Dick’s shares were last down 3.6% but have gained 22% in 2018

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I went into a Cabela's for the first time two weeks ago. They had a giant NRA sign up booth right when you walked in. My wife wondered what the NRA was.....thank God she let's me give her a voting list.

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Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
Same store sales fell 4% during the 1st quarter after announcing their new policies. This was a quarter which the overall retail sector saw as being the best in a decade. All of their competitors are seeing rising same store metrics.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/dicks-says ... 1535565173
I thought no one bought guns from them anyways and instead shopped local?

Even people who buy guns locally stopped going to Dicks for other things. I spend probably a $500 a year on sports equipment and stopped going there. I never bought a gun there, but they made it clear that they don't want my business.

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Even people who buy guns locally stopped going to Dicks for other things. I spend probably a $500 a year on sports equipment and stopped going there. I never bought a gun there, but they made it clear that they don't want my business.
How did they make that clear? Does your grocery store sell guns? Does your local Best Buy sell guns? Does McDonalds sell guns?

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Dick’s shares were last down 3.6% but have gained 22% in 2018

and they are still down 40%+ from where they were in December 2016 (down from 60 a share to 35, if you're curious). During that same time period, the S&P has been up 30%

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Even people who buy guns locally stopped going to Dicks for other things. I spend probably a $500 a year on sports equipment and stopped going there. I never bought a gun there, but they made it clear that they don't want my business.
How did they make that clear? Does your grocery store sell guns? Does your local Best Buy sell guns? Does McDonalds sell guns?

Are any of those 3 you listed sporting goods stores? Guns are a sporting good.

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Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
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Dick’s shares were last down 3.6% but have gained 22% in 2018

and they are still down 40%+ from where they were in December 2016 (down from 60 a share to 35, if you're curious). During that same time period, the S&P has been up 30%


And that's with their only brick-and-mortar competitor out of business (Sports Authority).

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