Agreed, but Trump's base would point to those as a general picture of what he (and they) want to get done (if only he didn't have to fend off nuisance lawsuits/investigations and go through that pesky thing called Congress...which kept him from repealing ACA).

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I didn't realize that a meaningless symbolic concession speech was so crucial to the upholding of the republic. The fact remains she still gave one, though I'm sorry if it hurts your feelings that it took place later than you preferred.

It's a meaningless PR stunt at this point that's being carried out by Tom Perez rather than Clinton. If there really was an issue with refusing to accept the results of the election there would have been far more legal challenges far more quickly and far more actual resistance in terms of disrupting any politics being carried out at all.


And you look ridiculous continuing to insist you're not defending Trump at all when you always look to whine about Hillary or people just not giving the poor guy a chance. I really could not give less of a crap now about tell-alls about how Democrats reacted privately to the results of the election (I already read Shattered anyway), but I understand it still serves a purpose for people who prefer raging about Hillary to paying any attention to what people in power are actually doing.

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Another feather in the Donald's golf cap.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/23/trumps- ... rship.html

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The Kardashians did it better.

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There are only two examples of infinity: The universe and human stupidity and I'm not sure about the universe.

Including sanctity and integrity is an especially hilariously deluded twist.

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There are only two examples of infinity: The universe and human stupidity and I'm not sure about the universe.

A Trump is getting the Bruce Jenner treatment?

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My money's on Ivana, or Junior.

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There are only two examples of infinity: The universe and human stupidity and I'm not sure about the universe.

I'm guessing Eric...or Ivanka's husband

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Somehow I get the impression that such a realization would have been quite easy for you had it been Donald Trump failing to give a concession speech.



Perez represents the Clinton wing of the party. That's why he has the job. And if the "peaceful transfer of power" is so damn important, why fight it at every turn? Do you think foreign entities just started attempting to influence U.S. elections in 2016? Nobody ever made a big deal about it until it was a useful tool with which to batter Donald Trump.



Yeah, paying attention to what the people in power are doing is very important. Trump is Hitler because he makes a wisecrack on Twitter about throwing Jim Acosta in jail, but when Obama was using the Espionage Act to attack the sources of reporters and trying to throw them in prison, freedom of the press wasn't such a big deal. Paying attention indeed.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

MANY here have never heard of Sharyl Attkisson.



https://sharylattkisson.com/reports/news/financial/

https://sharylattkisson.com/stonewalled-book/

https://sharylattkisson.com/reports/new ... ndfurious/

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it is amazing how many bad thoughts can exist in one thread. wow.

Trump was a bad candidate. The GOP tried their best to keep him off the ballot. They failed.
Hillary was a bad candidate. The DNC failed to see this and went all in with her.
Hillary's campaign was a shitshow. It was horribly run and really impossible to run well considering....yep...you guessed it....she was a bad candidate.

Trump claimed the election was rigged. it was. FOX news is one channel that was in his corner. CNN, NBC, ABC, CBS, all of Hollywood and the "journalists" of the US all wanted Hillary to win. If you cannot accept that Hollywood, TV, Media, and the music industry support the Democratic party.....you're blind..

All said and done....Hillary was the worse canidate that ran a worse campaign. Trump was a bad candidate that took advantage of the electoral college.....a system that worked as it was designed.

Hillary is not challenging the results of the election, but she has not accepted them. She has not accepted the fact that she was a bad candidate. She's blamed everything possible accept one thing....Hillary.

Trump has done very little as POTUS. He's said a lot of stupid shit and acted like a moron. He'd have the potential to do more, but his party cannot get out of it's own way. The only thing he has done is appoint Gorsuch, deregulate government agencies, and dropped a couple of bombs. The bombs he has actually dropped.....pretty much in line with prior POTUS. Tax bill, failure to repeal ACA, budget....all sit with the GOP Congress.

It is possible to acknowledge that the media is biased and all this shit happened without being a Trumpet. Deal with it.

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This is a pretty fair take.

This doesn't even rise to the level of a tu quoque. You always just construct these dumb hypotheticals about what people arguing with you would have done to justify what you're actually doing.

He more accurately represents that Obama wing of the party since it was Obama and his people who actively recruited him to challenge Ellison. And perhaps more accurately at all, he represents the corporate interests of the party, who desire and demand Russia talk over the promotion of anything vaguely redistributive. Both of these are quite far off from the Hillary as history's greatest monster narrative you're still trying to spin.
You have an extremely low bar for what constitutes fighting the peaceful transfer of power "at every turn."

I think there's a decent chance that there was more meddling in this election than there ever has been previously. I'm personally not a fan of many of the Dems' myopic focus on Russia compared to actually promoting substantive policy, but pretending every indication of impropriety should be swept under the carpet because it might not be unprecedented is even less justifiable.

Do you think all previous election meddling means questions simply shouldn't be asked or investigated when it comes to this one? You often seem to be advocating for the idea that Trump should just get to do whatever he wants because other bad things that other politicians did weren't called out equally. Hell you do it yet again in the very next section of this post.

No I think it was bad when Obama did that too. You yet again seem upset about meta discourse issues and playing your favorite activity of "What about..." than anything substantive.

The term "whataboutism" is designed to distract from a person's hypocrisy. When I hear it or read it, I stop listening.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

It's quite clear it doesn't take much for you to arrive at that state. I'd also note you engage in that activity most often for stuff that hasn't even transpired. "What about how you definitely would have reacted to this counterfactual scenario I made up in my head?"

Yeah no doubt. I suspect that if most of us were being honest, we'd agree that both Hillary and Donald were bad candidates and would have been/are a bad President.

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Hawaii (fuck) You

(Aside) People sure seem to use it to cover their weak spots. I catch myself doing this much more now, but I'm sure I still do it quite a bit.

That has been what JORR has been saying for 16 months now.

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Are you honestly suggesting you wouldn't have judged Trump much more harshly than you apparently are judging Clinton had he lost and refused to concede on election night? Regardless, I'm certain most of the media would have.

And the opposition party suing an elected president for winning sure doesn't seem like the best way to peacefully transfer power.

You can feebly attempt to characterize this as a "defense of Donald Trump", but I assure you I would feel no differently if it were being done to any elected president regardless of party.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

All it takes is for someone to be a phony or call Obama "Barry" or call Trump "Drumpf". There's no point in listening any further. I know what comes next.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

I think he raised the corporate tax and the capital gain tax. That would be an attempt at least.

I think.

Here is my scorecard for those of you who were dying to hear it.

WHAT ABOUT DANKS!?!

Completely agree. i think Trump has been a disgrace, but since I don't like the Democratic party (or the GOP) I'm sure I'll also be called a Trumpet.

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Many of us have sad that exactly. But you know the board....

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Elections have consequences.

See my reply to Dennis.

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Elections have consequences.

Sorry but tthis is the second time the DNC has sued after it lost a presidential election.

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When I am stuck and need to figure something out I always remember the Immortal words of Socrates when he said:"I just drank what?"

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Fare you well, fare you well
I love you more than words can tell
Listen to the river sing sweet songs
To rock my soul