I said retard. You're a PC shit-lib who deep down is the conservative you say you hate. You just demonstrated it here by providing a skewed understanding of an amazingly complex phenomenon: the state of labor.

No offense, though.

Ogie: That can be hard to do for many people.

However....as much as I love Chicago and Illinois....I've been nodding along when I hear younger people say that are thinking about leaving while they can. Sucks, but whatcha gonna do?

Since the whole Nas/Naws fiasco, I've been questioning how I pronounce words.

We all pronounce it was "werk," but shouldn't it be pronounced "woark"?

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If my tone was at all saying, "trades are easy; pursue a trade," obviously not what I meant. My argument was simply that I'm surprised more people aren't trying for those lines of work.

And I absolutely confess that I don't know much about anything in comparison to those who have been around the block. I'm in my early 30s and have a great deal to learn about life, so if I sound presumptuous and/or blatantly incorrect, my mistake. Draw it up to ignorance.



I wouldn't go that far. I simply feel like being a racist is easy/lazy, and it just kinda makes me uncomfortable. Then again, Blazing Saddles is absolute fucking gold, so maybe I'm a retard after all.

And I've got conservative values, just like anyone else I guess. Who knows. Maybe you're right. The Sheriff is near.

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Tommy seems like the nicest guy on the board, but every once in awhile he busts out and murders someone in cold blood.

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I feel he killed me softly with his song.

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Unions need to be done away with. They served their purpose back in the day, but now it's just a bunch of abuse/good ole boy network shit and so on. Feeding the fat cats at the top.

I guess it wasn't aimed at you per se. Just the overall thought that trades are a choice for many or gonna some how fix the unemployment in the younger generation.

1. its Difficult as hell to get into a union.
2. Labor Intensive as hell. Your gonna break down physically.
3. Its a different generation. Many are not interested in the trades. If the person is not interested in it why do we assume they are going to be good enough to make a living at it.

You dont know what you're talking about. This is certainly not the case with trade unions.

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Yeah, I don't think most people understand the difference between labor unions and trade unions.

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Surprised to see big government lover Ogie going to bat for Unions. They are worthless.

Surprised to see big government lover Ogie going to bat for Unions. They are worthless.

Surprised to see big government lover Ogie going to bat for Unions. They are worthless.

Surprised to see big government lover Ogie going to bat for Unions. They are worthless.

Labor unions (especially public sector) are useless, but trade unions really don't bother me.

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Except increase the cost of doing business for others.

The only tradesman I know is Darkside so I think I have a right to have certain opinions of the people who do those jobs.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

I'm sure you've had a lot of these experiences with non-union shops, but not all non-union shops are shit, my shop offers 100% health insurance for my workers and their families, and with competitive pay. I'm sure there are other non-union shops doing the same. Especially considering that there are a lot of companies with a limited amount of workers.

I have about 10-20 young people walk into my shop every year looking for a job, but they just come in off the street without a resume and all of them are causally dressed. I think the problem lies in the lack of job seeking preparation at the high school level.

The biggest problem with the HVAC industry is that most workers who are worth anything usually just end up starting their own business out of their garage. That's why you have a million companies and no workers. It is hard to keep good people even at a competitive pay and benefits when they think that they can make so much more.

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This can be an accurate reply to 99.98% of Bob's posts.

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A great example of how painting with too broad of a brush can make someone sound like a moron.

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You're right Bob. If not for that increased cost ( never mind that if you're getting a card carrying journeyman you're getting a well trained knowledgeable worker) why ,those benevolent employers would be passing those savings right on down to you.

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It aint the six minutes. Its what happens in those six minutes.

Man, Bob is having a rough week. I’m here for you, Bob!

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Isn't that the theory on why raising the minimum wage is a bad idea? The minimum wage worker has his lower pay passed on to the consumer in terms of savings?

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

Like Gun-Nuts, Union-Nuts get very pissy when you challenge their establishment. I understand.

If you don't mind being run into the ground there's always a career at UPS. I rep quite a bit of UPS workers in Comp claims and it's shocking to see how much these guys physically break down after hauling packages for a couple decades. But, the pay is really decent considering the lack of education needed. The guys that have been there a while all pull down over $35 per hour and they also get about 10 hours of OT per week, although that is starting to slow down a bit at UPS with the rise of Amazon.

Peoples Gas is another high paying job for menial labor, but much like the UPS guys, the guys at the Gas company also fall apart after a while. Holding onto a jack hammer all day long is not good on the body.

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I'm not familiar with crosschecks shop but knowing what I know about him I suspect he does good work. He gave me some solid advise when I was changing jobs years ago so I always appreciate that.

As far as unions go in this trade they're critical for workers. We're protected against bullshit business practices with seem to run rampant in this industry. My first job was with a nonunion outfit and they truly pulled some ugly shit on me, particularly after I got hurt doing something stupid I thought was stupid but the boss forced me to do. That shit doesn't fly with 597. My union requires a certain number of hours per year of ongoing training and that is good for you mb Mr. Enduser, because a lot of stuff is changing in this industry right about now.
Now bob if you think my union drives up your cost I'd say you're wrong. I'm getting significantly more than my union requires per scale because my work is damn solid and my company wants me to stay here. Chances are if you want a cheap ass bad install you can call four seasons and have some guy still in trade school install your shit but if you want it done right you want someone who has years of experience and training and will get it done proper. It will ultimately last significantly longer.
If you want to cheap out on labor costs... well dude I can say from experience and the shit I've seen you do get what you pay for.

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only an idiot would hire Four Seasons. I saved a neighbor from hiring them when they quoted her $1500 on a draft inducer motor.

Guys flipping burgers should unionize!!

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It aint the six minutes. Its what happens in those six minutes.

Depending on the kind of inducer were talking about my union shop is generally less than half that amount.
Now that being said those fuckin ecm communicating induced are expensive as hell. From the supply house they're over 800 bucks.

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http://soundcloud.com/darkside124 HOF 2013, MM Champion 2014