I think the issue is that MANY men are taught that they're only supposed to do certain things. Changing a diaper, allowing your daughter to paint your nails or to embarrass you in some way doesn't make you less of a man. Not clubbing your lady because she talked or cooking and cleaning doesn't make you less of man. There are MANY examples of foolishness that have been passed along to MANY of us. If you need to talk to someone to understand that it's foolishness, I'm okay with that. Now if they insist that you dress like Jaden Smith you should club them over the head and leave.

You always assume that modern = better.

Women being allowed to vote is better than before (in theory anyway).

Women representing a large portion of the workforce isn’t necessarily better simply because we’ve gone in that direction. There are many people, including women, who would argue that it’s actually detrimental to our society. I’m not arguing that; I’m just pointing out that modern does not always equal better.

I think the issue is that MANY men are taught that they're only supposed to do certain things. Changing a diaper, allowing your daughter to paint your nails or to embarrass you in some way doesn't make you less of a man. Not clubbing your lady because she talked or cooking and cleaning doesn't make you less of man. There are MANY examples of foolishness that have been passed along to MANY of us. If you need to talk to someone to understand that it's foolishness, I'm okay with that. Now if they insist that you dress like Jaden Smith you should club them over the head and leave.

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Was there an answer there?

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It seems like you grew up in a culture that was a bit extreme in terms of its masculinity. I grew up around a bunch of hillbillies, but none of them were adverse to changing a diaper or not beating their wives.

Do you think men from the 1950s could have used a course similar to this?

All you really said was I assumed that women in 2018 have it better than women in the 1950s, which I'm pretty sure they do.

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I was going to create a mult called 1950's JORR and just copy his posts verbatim.

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Why do you fixate on one aspect of the argument that you disagree with and apply it to everyone?

Have a terrible night and die in MANY fires.

Do you think men from the 1950s could have used a course similar to this?

All you really said was I assumed that women in 2018 have it better than women in the 1950s, which I'm pretty sure they do.

I don't doubt that MANY of the gender things I was taught/exposed to were extreme. There is still a lot of 1950's thinking about women and men in society that I'll probably always disagree with. Not really sure if having daughters plays a major role in my thinking but it does play a role.

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They might, but I'm not assuming it just because it's 70 years later.

As far as whether men could have benefitted from this, I don't know. There are probably some who could have learned to manage their emotions better. But I also think a lot of young "men" today are a bunch of neutered little cry babies who could use a class on how not to be an embarrassing cuck.

But men and women really are different. The whole concept of "toxic masculinity" is nothing more than a war against boys and their inherent nature. It's not an effort to help men with their emotions. i.e. letting us know it's okay to cry once in awhile. It's an attack. A demand that we act like women.

How did you determine its the latter and not the former?

I have no idea what the hell it is, tbh

Do you think the modern woman has been made to feel as if caring for children is unimportant and beneath her?

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They certainly have more options, but they also have pressure to "have it all". It's very difficult to get away from the bearing and caring for children aspects. The fact, once again, is that only women can bear children. Once the children are born, someone must care for them. It's either the mother, the father, or someone else. In many cases, I'm sure the "someone else" option is based upon the "necessity" of two incomes, which is driven by the desire for material goods which is created by advertising.

Do you think the modern woman has been made to feel as if caring for children is unimportant and beneath her?

That's just based on what society tells us though. I was raised the same way. My dad went to work and my mom took care of the kids. I do most of the childcare now. My dad wouldn't have been better or worse at it than I am.

Do you think the modern woman has been made to feel as if caring for children is unimportant and beneath her?

The victims are the American People and the Republic itself.

The fact, once again, is that only women can bear children. Once the children are born, someone must care for them. It's either the mother, the father, or someone else. In many cases, I'm sure the "someone else" option is based upon the "necessity" of two incomes, which is driven by the desire for material goods which is created by advertising.

Do you think the modern woman has been made to feel as if caring for children is unimportant and beneath her?

It's not a question of whether a man can take care of a child. And nobody is attempting to stop you. But I am absolutely certain there are many women who would prefer to care for their children, assuming it was economically feasible, but have been made to feel by society that doing so would make them losers. Who is the beneficiary of this set-up? Ask yourself that and we may get to the real answer.

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Do you think the modern woman has been made to feel as if caring for children is unimportant and beneath her?

Have a terrible night and die in MANY fires.

Yes