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I think there’s a difference between “normalizing” it and teaching people not to have certain thoughts. I realize a lot of my thoughts nowadays contradict my previous thoughts from years ago, but I’ve changed my mind on a lot of things. That in itself has taught me that no thought should be completely dismissed or taught as “wrong”. Beliefs I hold now would have been mocked by my former self. We can be 99.99999999% sure that someone is wrong, but we can never be 100% sure, no matter how dumb the idea. And no one should mandate how we think.

The problem is those thoughts can manifest themselves with real life consequences to the subject. For example if you truly think women are inferior workers then why would you hire or promote one? Should we worry more about the person who thinks that or the person who is effected by old thinking?

I doubt if your wife came home and said she was laid off because her boss didn't want her to "abandon her family" you would think the boss may have been right to do that.

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Not even the French Thought Police could stop me this morning from thinking about the 30-something woman who was restocking the breakfast buffet at my hotel, admiring how fantastic her ass was, and wondering if she was a good fuck. All the French Thought Police could see was me eating my chocolate croissant.

Now if this was the 1950s, she'd probably have had six guys grabbing her ass, except she probably wouldn't have been allowed to have the job due to her skin color.

But if the socialist French Thought Police can't stop me, a bunch of dumbasses in Texas certainly have no chance in hell.

In fact, I'm going to be in Austin in a couple of weeks, and now I feel obliged to go to UT Campustown and think impure thoughts about the female co-ed population. Except for the hippies and the stoners.

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I think there’s a difference between “normalizing” it and teaching people not to have certain thoughts. I realize a lot of my thoughts nowadays contradict my previous thoughts from years ago, but I’ve changed my mind on a lot of things. That in itself has taught me that no thought should be completely dismissed or taught as “wrong”. Beliefs I hold now would have been mocked by my former self. We can be 99.99999999% sure that someone is wrong, but we can never be 100% sure, no matter how dumb the idea. And no one should mandate how we think.

The problem is those thoughts can manifest themselves with real life consequences to the subject. For example if you truly think women are inferior workers then why would you hire or promote one? Should we worry more about the person who thinks that or the person who is effected by old thinking?

I doubt if your wife came home and said she was laid off because her boss didn't want her to "abandon her family" you would think the boss may have been right to do that.


Well, her boss couldn’t do that because it’s illegal. But the legislation prohibits the action, not the thought. If you go into any corporate diversity training, they will tell people attending the class how to regulate their actions, not their thoughts. And regulating actions is fine, but trying to regulate people’s beliefs is dangerous and a violation of their rights.

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I think there’s a difference between “normalizing” it and teaching people not to have certain thoughts. I realize a lot of my thoughts nowadays contradict my previous thoughts from years ago, but I’ve changed my mind on a lot of things. That in itself has taught me that no thought should be completely dismissed or taught as “wrong”. Beliefs I hold now would have been mocked by my former self. We can be 99.99999999% sure that someone is wrong, but we can never be 100% sure, no matter how dumb the idea. And no one should mandate how we think.

The problem is those thoughts can manifest themselves with real life consequences to the subject. For example if you truly think women are inferior workers then why would you hire or promote one? Should we worry more about the person who thinks that or the person who is effected by old thinking?

I doubt if your wife came home and said she was laid off because her boss didn't want her to "abandon her family" you would think the boss may have been right to do that.


Well, her boss couldn’t do that because it’s illegal. But the legislation prohibits the action, not the thought. If you go into any corporate diversity training, they will tell people attending the class how to regulate their actions, not their thoughts. And regulating actions is fine, but trying to regulate people’s beliefs is dangerous and a violation of their rights.

Yeah. Come up with a different excuse.

That's why we can't just accept thought processes like that.

I'm also not sure what you mean about regulating beliefs. You don't have the right to have your beliefs not be questioned or rejected. Where are you getting that?

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That's why we can't just accept thought processes like that.


WOW! Who knew Literal Hitler posted at CFMB.

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That's why we can't just accept thought processes like that.


WOW! Who knew Literal Hitler posted at CFMB.


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Remember one thing. You accuse Ogre and Stan of "toxic masculinity", but Lewis is the fucking rapist.

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Remember one thing. You accuse Ogre and Stan of "toxic masculinity", but Lewis is the fucking rapist.



:lol: true

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
leashyourkids wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
leashyourkids wrote:
I think there’s a difference between “normalizing” it and teaching people not to have certain thoughts. I realize a lot of my thoughts nowadays contradict my previous thoughts from years ago, but I’ve changed my mind on a lot of things. That in itself has taught me that no thought should be completely dismissed or taught as “wrong”. Beliefs I hold now would have been mocked by my former self. We can be 99.99999999% sure that someone is wrong, but we can never be 100% sure, no matter how dumb the idea. And no one should mandate how we think.

The problem is those thoughts can manifest themselves with real life consequences to the subject. For example if you truly think women are inferior workers then why would you hire or promote one? Should we worry more about the person who thinks that or the person who is effected by old thinking?

I doubt if your wife came home and said she was laid off because her boss didn't want her to "abandon her family" you would think the boss may have been right to do that.


Well, her boss couldn’t do that because it’s illegal. But the legislation prohibits the action, not the thought. If you go into any corporate diversity training, they will tell people attending the class how to regulate their actions, not their thoughts. And regulating actions is fine, but trying to regulate people’s beliefs is dangerous and a violation of their rights.

Yeah. Come up with a different excuse.

That's why we can't just accept thought processes like that.

I'm also not sure what you mean about regulating beliefs. You don't have the right to have your beliefs not be questioned or rejected. Where are you getting that?


Your second line is problematic to say the least.

You don’t get to dictate other people’s “thought processes”. First, it’s impossible. Second, it’s Fascist. Who determines what the correct “thought processes” are?

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Leash, he is not dictating your thought processes, but he sure seems to be manipulating it.

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leashyourkids wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
leashyourkids wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
leashyourkids wrote:
I think there’s a difference between “normalizing” it and teaching people not to have certain thoughts. I realize a lot of my thoughts nowadays contradict my previous thoughts from years ago, but I’ve changed my mind on a lot of things. That in itself has taught me that no thought should be completely dismissed or taught as “wrong”. Beliefs I hold now would have been mocked by my former self. We can be 99.99999999% sure that someone is wrong, but we can never be 100% sure, no matter how dumb the idea. And no one should mandate how we think.

The problem is those thoughts can manifest themselves with real life consequences to the subject. For example if you truly think women are inferior workers then why would you hire or promote one? Should we worry more about the person who thinks that or the person who is effected by old thinking?

I doubt if your wife came home and said she was laid off because her boss didn't want her to "abandon her family" you would think the boss may have been right to do that.


Well, her boss couldn’t do that because it’s illegal. But the legislation prohibits the action, not the thought. If you go into any corporate diversity training, they will tell people attending the class how to regulate their actions, not their thoughts. And regulating actions is fine, but trying to regulate people’s beliefs is dangerous and a violation of their rights.

Yeah. Come up with a different excuse.

That's why we can't just accept thought processes like that.

I'm also not sure what you mean about regulating beliefs. You don't have the right to have your beliefs not be questioned or rejected. Where are you getting that?


Your second line is problematic to say the least.

You don’t get to dictate other people’s “thought processes”. First, it’s impossible. Second, it’s Fascist. Who determines what the correct “thought processes” are?


Society? Things change and everyone has to adapt or get left in 1956 or some other decade.

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Leash, just let Brick have his "victory"

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Nas wrote:
leashyourkids wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
leashyourkids wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
leashyourkids wrote:
I think there’s a difference between “normalizing” it and teaching people not to have certain thoughts. I realize a lot of my thoughts nowadays contradict my previous thoughts from years ago, but I’ve changed my mind on a lot of things. That in itself has taught me that no thought should be completely dismissed or taught as “wrong”. Beliefs I hold now would have been mocked by my former self. We can be 99.99999999% sure that someone is wrong, but we can never be 100% sure, no matter how dumb the idea. And no one should mandate how we think.

The problem is those thoughts can manifest themselves with real life consequences to the subject. For example if you truly think women are inferior workers then why would you hire or promote one? Should we worry more about the person who thinks that or the person who is effected by old thinking?

I doubt if your wife came home and said she was laid off because her boss didn't want her to "abandon her family" you would think the boss may have been right to do that.


Well, her boss couldn’t do that because it’s illegal. But the legislation prohibits the action, not the thought. If you go into any corporate diversity training, they will tell people attending the class how to regulate their actions, not their thoughts. And regulating actions is fine, but trying to regulate people’s beliefs is dangerous and a violation of their rights.

Yeah. Come up with a different excuse.

That's why we can't just accept thought processes like that.

I'm also not sure what you mean about regulating beliefs. You don't have the right to have your beliefs not be questioned or rejected. Where are you getting that?


Your second line is problematic to say the least.

You don’t get to dictate other people’s “thought processes”. First, it’s impossible. Second, it’s Fascist. Who determines what the correct “thought processes” are?


Society? Things change and everyone has to adapt or get left in 1956 or some other decade.


I don't even know what that means.

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Society has had some pretty terrible ideas.


Soccer, Zima, & the Wiggles. We can probably blame foreigners for some of those.

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leashyourkids wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
leashyourkids wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
leashyourkids wrote:
I think there’s a difference between “normalizing” it and teaching people not to have certain thoughts. I realize a lot of my thoughts nowadays contradict my previous thoughts from years ago, but I’ve changed my mind on a lot of things. That in itself has taught me that no thought should be completely dismissed or taught as “wrong”. Beliefs I hold now would have been mocked by my former self. We can be 99.99999999% sure that someone is wrong, but we can never be 100% sure, no matter how dumb the idea. And no one should mandate how we think.

The problem is those thoughts can manifest themselves with real life consequences to the subject. For example if you truly think women are inferior workers then why would you hire or promote one? Should we worry more about the person who thinks that or the person who is effected by old thinking?

I doubt if your wife came home and said she was laid off because her boss didn't want her to "abandon her family" you would think the boss may have been right to do that.


Well, her boss couldn’t do that because it’s illegal. But the legislation prohibits the action, not the thought. If you go into any corporate diversity training, they will tell people attending the class how to regulate their actions, not their thoughts. And regulating actions is fine, but trying to regulate people’s beliefs is dangerous and a violation of their rights.

Yeah. Come up with a different excuse.

That's why we can't just accept thought processes like that.

I'm also not sure what you mean about regulating beliefs. You don't have the right to have your beliefs not be questioned or rejected. Where are you getting that?


Your second line is problematic to say the least.

You don’t get to dictate other people’s “thought processes”. First, it’s impossible. Second, it’s Fascist. Who determines what the correct “thought processes” are?

I understand there are no 100 percent correct answers but we should certainly fight against oppressive ideas designed to hold down a specific group. I don't think I have to cite all sorts of past examples of ideas that were rightfully fought against.

It would be a mistake to think we've solved all the problems of previous generations.

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Society? Things change and everyone has to adapt or get left in 1956 or some other decade.


The problem with your repeated use of this phrase and constant referencing of 1956 is that there are obviously people out there who feel many of your ideas belong in 1956 and I'm certain you don't want to kneel before their demands.

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Society? Things change and everyone has to adapt or get left in 1956 or some other decade.


The problem with your repeated use of this phrase and constant referencing of 1956 is that there are obviously people out there who feel many of your ideas belong in 1956 and I'm certain you don't want to kneel before their demands.


I'm not RESISTING social change. More often than not I'm embracing progress.

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Society? Things change and everyone has to adapt or get left in 1956 or some other decade.


The problem with your repeated use of this phrase and constant referencing of 1956 is that there are obviously people out there who feel many of your ideas belong in 1956 and I'm certain you don't want to kneel before their demands.


I'm not RESISTING social change. More often than not I'm embracing progress.


:lol: Of course you are. You'd never put your son in a dress.

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Society? Things change and everyone has to adapt or get left in 1956 or some other decade.


The problem with your repeated use of this phrase and constant referencing of 1956 is that there are obviously people out there who feel many of your ideas belong in 1956 and I'm certain you don't want to kneel before their demands.


I'm not RESISTING social change. More often than not I'm embracing progress.


:lol: Of course you are. You'd never put your son in a dress.


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
leashyourkids wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
leashyourkids wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
leashyourkids wrote:
I think there’s a difference between “normalizing” it and teaching people not to have certain thoughts. I realize a lot of my thoughts nowadays contradict my previous thoughts from years ago, but I’ve changed my mind on a lot of things. That in itself has taught me that no thought should be completely dismissed or taught as “wrong”. Beliefs I hold now would have been mocked by my former self. We can be 99.99999999% sure that someone is wrong, but we can never be 100% sure, no matter how dumb the idea. And no one should mandate how we think.

The problem is those thoughts can manifest themselves with real life consequences to the subject. For example if you truly think women are inferior workers then why would you hire or promote one? Should we worry more about the person who thinks that or the person who is effected by old thinking?

I doubt if your wife came home and said she was laid off because her boss didn't want her to "abandon her family" you would think the boss may have been right to do that.


Well, her boss couldn’t do that because it’s illegal. But the legislation prohibits the action, not the thought. If you go into any corporate diversity training, they will tell people attending the class how to regulate their actions, not their thoughts. And regulating actions is fine, but trying to regulate people’s beliefs is dangerous and a violation of their rights.

Yeah. Come up with a different excuse.

That's why we can't just accept thought processes like that.

I'm also not sure what you mean about regulating beliefs. You don't have the right to have your beliefs not be questioned or rejected. Where are you getting that?


Your second line is problematic to say the least.

You don’t get to dictate other people’s “thought processes”. First, it’s impossible. Second, it’s Fascist. Who determines what the correct “thought processes” are?

I understand there are no 100 percent correct answers but we should certainly fight against oppressive ideas designed to hold down a specific group. I don't think I have to cite all sorts of past examples of ideas that were rightfully fought against.

It would be a mistake to think we've solved all the problems of previous generations.


No one is saying otherwise. That's why we have a Constitution and a Bill of Rights and a Justice System... and by and large, they work pretty well. Those things allow everyone to have any idea they so desire, no matter how stupid or detestable it is... but the minute they put those ideas into practice and impact someone else's rights, the government intervenes. But there should be no limit to what a person can think.

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Society? Things change and everyone has to adapt or get left in 1956 or some other decade.


The problem with your repeated use of this phrase and constant referencing of 1956 is that there are obviously people out there who feel many of your ideas belong in 1956 and I'm certain you don't want to kneel before their demands.


I'm not RESISTING social change. More often than not I'm embracing progress.


Your idea of progress is not necessarily someone else's.

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No one is saying otherwise. That's why we have a Constitution and a Bill of Rights and a Justice System... and by and large, they work pretty well. Those things allow everyone to have any idea they so desire, no matter how stupid or detestable it is... but the minute they put those ideas into practice and impact someone else's rights, the government intervenes. But there should be no limit to what a person can think.


The government is generally decades late or even centuries late to intervene on some things because MANY backwards people fight against progress for others.

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Society? Things change and everyone has to adapt or get left in 1956 or some other decade.


The problem with your repeated use of this phrase and constant referencing of 1956 is that there are obviously people out there who feel many of your ideas belong in 1956 and I'm certain you don't want to kneel before their demands.


I'm not RESISTING social change. More often than not I'm embracing progress.


Your idea of progress is not necessarily someone else's.


I've learned. That's why it generally comes slow.

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No one is saying otherwise. That's why we have a Constitution and a Bill of Rights and a Justice System... and by and large, they work pretty well. Those things allow everyone to have any idea they so desire, no matter how stupid or detestable it is... but the minute they put those ideas into practice and impact someone else's rights, the government intervenes. But there should be no limit to what a person can think.


The government is generally decades late or even centuries late to intervene on some things because MANY backwards people fight against progress for others.


I'm not saying we can't debate or disagree with bad ideas and win in the court of public opinion. In fact, we should.

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No one is saying otherwise. That's why we have a Constitution and a Bill of Rights and a Justice System... and by and large, they work pretty well. Those things allow everyone to have any idea they so desire, no matter how stupid or detestable it is... but the minute they put those ideas into practice and impact someone else's rights, the government intervenes. But there should be no limit to what a person can think.

You are approaching straw man territory here. Of course someone can have detestable opinions. I mean, it seems like you are trying to make it seem like I want them jailed or sent to a reeducation camp for those ideas. Those ideas should be fought against though using the same "rights" that they have.

What part of my statements in this thread do you take issue with? I'm not totally sure any more.

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No one is saying otherwise. That's why we have a Constitution and a Bill of Rights and a Justice System... and by and large, they work pretty well. Those things allow everyone to have any idea they so desire, no matter how stupid or detestable it is... but the minute they put those ideas into practice and impact someone else's rights, the government intervenes. But there should be no limit to what a person can think.

You are approaching straw man territory here. Of course someone can have detestable opinions. I mean, it seems like you are trying to make it seem like I want them jailed or sent to a reeducation camp for those ideas. Those ideas should be fought against though using the same "rights" that they have.

What part of my statements in this thread do you take issue with? I'm not totally sure any more.


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