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 Post subject: Re: Sambuca 360 in Plano
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In theory, rather than bump a couple out of their existing table, you can just bump the "regular" to the top of the wait list and put him in a similar view. Also the the victim in this case, has held large gatherings at this restaurant, so your "future business" argument is stupid and invalid as well. You have outed yourself here as a bigger racist than even Wallpaper Steve, so you have that going for you.


What have I said in this thread that is in any way racist?


Having the opinion that people should have to give up their accommodations because of the color of their skin, makes you racist.
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Dick's refuses to sell a gun to a 19 year old: I HOPE THEY SUE THEM ALL!
A restaurant kicks out a black man to serve someone else: THE GUY WAS TRESPASSING!

JLN picks the strangest hardline stances.

I forgot all about the constitutional guarantee of a good table at a restaurant... damn.


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The Civil Rights Act of 1964 (Pub.L. 88–352, 78 Stat. 241, enacted July 2, 1964) is a landmark civil rights and US labor law in the United States[5] that outlaws discrimination based on race, color, religion, sex or national origin

Yeah... that's not a constitutional guarantee of a good seat at a restuarant.


Of course it is ..."pubic accommodation".
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Caller Bob wrote:
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In theory, rather than bump a couple out of their existing table, you can just bump the "regular" to the top of the wait list and put him in a similar view. Also the the victim in this case, has held large gatherings at this restaurant, so your "future business" argument is stupid and invalid as well. You have outed yourself here as a bigger racist than even Wallpaper Steve, so you have that going for you.


What have I said in this thread that is in any way racist?


Having the opinion that people should have to give up their accommodations because of the color of their skin, makes you racist.


Where did I give or even imply that opinion?
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In theory, rather than bump a couple out of their existing table, you can just bump the "regular" to the top of the wait list and put him in a similar view. Also the the victim in this case, has held large gatherings at this restaurant, so your "future business" argument is stupid and invalid as well. You have outed yourself here as a bigger racist than even Wallpaper Steve, so you have that going for you.


What have I said in this thread that is in any way racist?


Having the opinion that people should have to give up their accommodations because of the color of their skin, makes you racist.

He wasn't asked to move because he was black. He was asked to move because of a regular who requested the table.
Reading the article closely it seems he wasn't asked to leave until he refused to wait for another table or move to another table.

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He wasn't asked to move because he was black. He was asked to move because of a regular who requested the table.


Still no direct quote from the manager or restaurant as to the reasoning.

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Reading the article closely it seems he wasn't asked to leave until he refused to wait for another table or move to another table.


And there is the law violation.."public accommodation".
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I am really surprised Darkside wants to die on the cross with JLN on this one...I mean you can be really pro second amendment and also REALLY against discrimination too
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I'm going to believe whatever the self-proclaimed victim of this incident says...BUT ONLY IF IT IS PUT IN QUOTES BY WFAA!
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I am really surprised Darkside wants to die on the cross with JLN on this one...I mean you can be really pro second amendment and also REALLY against discrimination too


Hey Caller Fuck Face, you find that part of the thread where I gave the opinion you attributed to me?
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I am really surprised Darkside wants to die on the cross with JLN on this one...I mean you can be really pro second amendment and also REALLY against discrimination too

I am questioning whether the incident was racially motivated. Also, I can't imagine how in the world this has any kind of 2nd amendment relationship. You guys are bizarre

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Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
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Dick's refuses to sell a gun to a 19 year old: I HOPE THEY SUE THEM ALL!
A restaurant kicks out a black man to serve someone else: THE GUY WAS TRESPASSING!

JLN picks the strangest hardline stances.


Go ahead and sue if they feel like they were wronged. If the stated reasoning of the manager is arbitrary enough I hope the jury awards damages sufficient to make them whole.

So then why are you immediately jumping to the defense of the manager here?


I said I think it more reasonable to assume "not racism" than "racism" because I think that most people in this country are "not racist", so it is a good bet to work with the "not racist" reasoning where applicable.
The manager got upset, said he didn't like him, and called the police. I think it's fair to think racism may have been part of the equation.

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So if a white guy doesn't like a black guy it's because of racism?

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So if a white guy doesn't like a black guy it's because of racism?


If he denies any type of service to him as part of this dislike..yes he is racist and in violation of the law.
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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
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Dick's refuses to sell a gun to a 19 year old: I HOPE THEY SUE THEM ALL!
A restaurant kicks out a black man to serve someone else: THE GUY WAS TRESPASSING!

JLN picks the strangest hardline stances.


Go ahead and sue if they feel like they were wronged. If the stated reasoning of the manager is arbitrary enough I hope the jury awards damages sufficient to make them whole.

So then why are you immediately jumping to the defense of the manager here?


I said I think it more reasonable to assume "not racism" than "racism" because I think that most people in this country are "not racist", so it is a good bet to work with the "not racist" reasoning where applicable.
The manager got upset, said he didn't like him, and called the police. I think it's fair to think racism may have been part of the equation.


Getting upset can only be because of someone's skin color? A person can only dislike a black person because of the color of their skin? Calling the police can only happen because of the color of someone's skin?
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So if a white guy doesn't like a black guy it's because of racism?
Maybe. If they are kicking them out of their restaurant for a white patron and calling the cops on them for trespassing then it's such an over the top reaction that it is fair to consider it may be a factor.

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So if a white guy doesn't like a black guy it's because of racism?


If he denies any type of service to him as part of this dislike..yes he is racist and in violation of the law.


:lol: Wow.
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Just so I understand the board logic:

Racism against black people? Bad.

Racism against Asians? Good.

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So if a white guy doesn't like a black guy it's because of racism?
Maybe. If they are kicking them out of their restaurant for a white patron and calling the cops on them for trespassing then it's such an over the top reaction that it is fair to consider it may be a factor.


What else are business operators supposed to do with people they believe are trespassing?
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Getting upset can only be because of someone's skin color? A person can only dislike a black person because of the color of their skin? Calling the police can only happen because of the color of someone's skin?
As someone who defended you earlier against others saying something you did was racist I am starting to notice a pattern with your posts.

I said it was reasonable to think it may have been a factor and you are taking it to the extremes once again.

It's ok to think that an over the top reaction like this may have been at least partially racially motivated.

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So if a white guy doesn't like a black guy it's because of racism?


If he denies any type of service to him as part of this dislike..yes he is racist and in violation of the law.


:lol: Wow.


Yes, there are legal ramifications if you tell someone who is black you don't like them and then kick them out of your place. A good lawyer could win damanges. A real lawyer though..not a paralegal like you.
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Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
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So if a white guy doesn't like a black guy it's because of racism?
Maybe. If they are kicking them out of their restaurant for a white patron and calling the cops on them for trespassing then it's such an over the top reaction that it is fair to consider it may be a factor.


What else are business operators supposed to do with people they believe are trespassing?

They sat them at a table first. I highly doubt the restaurant thought they were trespassing.

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Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
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So if a white guy doesn't like a black guy it's because of racism?
Maybe. If they are kicking them out of their restaurant for a white patron and calling the cops on them for trespassing then it's such an over the top reaction that it is fair to consider it may be a factor.


What else are business operators supposed to do with people they believe are trespassing?


Service already had been extended. They were not trespassing, fake lawyer.
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Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
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So if a white guy doesn't like a black guy it's because of racism?
Maybe. If they are kicking them out of their restaurant for a white patron and calling the cops on them for trespassing then it's such an over the top reaction that it is fair to consider it may be a factor.


What else are business operators supposed to do with people they believe are trespassing?
I guess we'll ask the owners.

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We apologize for the miscommunication with our guest on Saturday night, which resulted from a mix-up at our host stand. Sambuca has no tolerance for discrimination and always wants to make every guest feel welcome and respected.


Translation: Don't call the cops on someone who you are "kicking out" who did nothing wrong besides have a table you needed for a regular.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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Getting upset can only be because of someone's skin color? A person can only dislike a black person because of the color of their skin? Calling the police can only happen because of the color of someone's skin?
As someone who defended you earlier against others saying something you did was racist I am starting to notice a pattern with your posts.

I said it was reasonable to think it may have been a factor and you are taking it to the extremes once again.

It's ok to think that an over the top reaction like this may have been at least partially racially motivated.


Your apology is better late than never.

And it is graciously accepted as well.


There is also a pattern in what posters he intentionally tries to stir up shit with as well. Hint, hint...there skin color is darker than yours and mine.

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In reality this is a bigger slam dunk than the Starbucks case. W/ Starbucks you have no quotes from employees captured on video. Here you have a direct quote 'I don't like you'.
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So if a white guy doesn't like a black guy it's because of racism?


If he denies any type of service to him as part of this dislike..yes he is racist and in violation of the law.

Was he denied service or was he asked to wait or move tables?

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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Getting upset can only be because of someone's skin color? A person can only dislike a black person because of the color of their skin? Calling the police can only happen because of the color of someone's skin?
As someone who defended you earlier against others saying something you did was racist I am starting to notice a pattern with your posts.

I said it was reasonable to think it may have been a factor and you are taking it to the extremes once again.

It's ok to think that an over the top reaction like this may have been at least partially racially motivated.


Your apology is better late than never.

And it is graciously accepted as well.


There is also a pattern in what posters he intentionally tries to stir up shit with as well. Hint, hint...there skin color is darker than yours and mine.

I appreciate your acceptance.

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So if a white guy doesn't like a black guy it's because of racism?


If he denies any type of service to him as part of this dislike..yes he is racist and in violation of the law.

Was he denied service or was he asked to wait or move tables?

He was denied service and the cops were called.
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In reality this is a bigger slam dunk than the Starbucks case. W/ Starbucks you have no quotes from employees captured on video. Here you have a direct quote 'I don't like you'.
We need to send that manager to the University Of Texas or another liberal arts school for reeducation.

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Caller Bob wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Darkside wrote:
So if a white guy doesn't like a black guy it's because of racism?
Maybe. If they are kicking them out of their restaurant for a white patron and calling the cops on them for trespassing then it's such an over the top reaction that it is fair to consider it may be a factor.


What else are business operators supposed to do with people they believe are trespassing?


Service already had been extended. They were not trespassing, fake lawyer.


Ejection for lawful reasons can happen at any time, service being "extended" or not. Just because a restaurant sat someone at a table doesn't mean they are bound to deal with all that person's shit. Once a person is asked to leave the premises, their refusal to do so and remaining presence constitutes "trespassing".

Take, for instance, Illinois:

http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/ilcs/fu ... 00050K21-3

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(720 ILCS 5/21-3) (from Ch. 38, par. 21-3)
Sec. 21-3. Criminal trespass to real property.
(a) A person commits criminal trespass to real property when he or she:
(1) knowingly and without lawful authority enters or
remains within or on a building;
(2) enters upon the land of another, after receiving,

prior to the entry, notice from the owner or occupant that the entry is forbidden;
(3) remains upon the land of another, after receiving
notice from the owner or occupant to depart;
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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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Getting upset can only be because of someone's skin color? A person can only dislike a black person because of the color of their skin? Calling the police can only happen because of the color of someone's skin?
As someone who defended you earlier against others saying something you did was racist I am starting to notice a pattern with your posts.

I said it was reasonable to think it may have been a factor and you are taking it to the extremes once again.

It's ok to think that an over the top reaction like this may have been at least partially racially motivated.


Your apology is better late than never.

And it is graciously accepted as well.


There is also a pattern in what posters he intentionally tries to stir up shit with as well. Hint, hint...there skin color is darker than yours and mine.


A board admin calling another poster racist. That's wonderful. Fuck you dude.
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