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 Post subject: Re: Sambuca 360 in Plano
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So if a white guy doesn't like a black guy it's because of racism?
Maybe. If they are kicking them out of their restaurant for a white patron and calling the cops on them for trespassing then it's such an over the top reaction that it is fair to consider it may be a factor.


What else are business operators supposed to do with people they believe are trespassing?


Service already had been extended. They were not trespassing, fake lawyer.


Ejection for lawful reasons can happen at any time, service being "extended" or not. Just because a restaurant sat someone at a table doesn't mean they are bound to deal with all that person's shit. Once a person is asked to leave the premises, their refusal to do so and remaining presence constitutes "trespassing".

Take, for instance, Illinois:

http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/ilcs/fu ... 00050K21-3

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(720 ILCS 5/21-3) (from Ch. 38, par. 21-3)
Sec. 21-3. Criminal trespass to real property.
(a) A person commits criminal trespass to real property when he or she:
(1) knowingly and without lawful authority enters or
remains within or on a building
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(2) enters upon the land of another, after receiving,

prior to the entry, notice from the owner or occupant that the entry is forbidden;
(3) remains upon the land of another, after receiving
notice from the owner or occupant to depart
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The Bill of Rights trumps these state laws now, fake lawyer. Hence you can't tell a black person you don't like them and then ask them to leave. People have got in trouble for that you know.


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It would be interesting to get an explanation from the manager on why he "didn't like" a guy he supposedly didn't know but was a person who had done a lot of business with this establishment.

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If the customer were Asian I think Caller Bob would have a different take on this.

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If the customer were Asian I think Caller Bob would have a different take on this.

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So if a white guy doesn't like a black guy it's because of racism?

Don't tell Camps about this.

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So if a white guy doesn't like a black guy it's because of racism?

Don't tell Camps about this.

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Each 'side' on the bored is misrepresenting things here a bit, and the rest is conjecture.

They sat two folks that happened to be black.
They gave normal service to the blacks.
The manager asked if they'd give up their table for 'a regular', who happened to be white.
The blacks declined to acquiesce.
The manager said okay, fine, then 23-skidoo.
The blacks declined to acquiesce and asked why they're being asked to leave.
This same back and forth goes on for a bit until eventually the manager said the reason he wanted them to leave is because he didn't like them ... now look, if someone wasn't doing something I asked them to do - irrespective of my doing something right or wrong - I probably wouldn't like them in that moment either. Come to think of it, I don't like anyone. Regardless.
The manager says 'get out, Rubble'.
The blacks decline to acquiesce.
The manager says you're now trespassing and I'm calling the po-po.
Soon thereafter, the blacks acquiesce to the 'scram' request.

Decent enough cases can be amateurishly litigated as to whether or not the manager was/is a racist.

The only newsworthy item from this piece is that people in Plano can read.

The rest of this is basically your daily Two Minutes Hate.

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Don Tiny wrote:
Each 'side' on the bored is misrepresenting things here a bit, and the rest is conjecture.

They sat two folks that happened to be black.
They gave normal service to the blacks.
The manager asked if they'd give up their table for 'a regular', who happened to be white.
The blacks declined to acquiesce.
The manager said okay, fine, then 23-skidoo.
The blacks declined to acquiesce and asked why they're being asked to leave.
This same back and forth goes on for a bit until eventually the manager said the reason he wanted them to leave is because he didn't like them ... now look, if someone wasn't doing something I asked them to do - irrespective of my doing something right or wrong - I probably wouldn't like them in that moment either. Come to think of it, I don't like anyone. Regardless.
The manager says 'get out, Rubble'.
The blacks decline to acquiesce.
The manager says you're now trespassing and I'm calling the po-po.
Soon thereafter, the blacks acquiesce to the 'scram' request.

Decent enough cases can be amateurishly litigated as to whether or not the manager was/is a racist.

The only newsworthy item from this piece is that people in Plano can read.

The rest of this is basically your daily Two Minutes Hate.
You have a strange definition of "normal service".

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Don Tiny wrote:
Each 'side' on the bored is misrepresenting things here a bit, and the rest is conjecture.

They sat two folks that happened to be black.
They gave normal service to the blacks.
The manager asked if they'd give up their table for 'a regular', who happened to be white.
The blacks declined to acquiesce.
The manager said okay, fine, then 23-skidoo.
The blacks declined to acquiesce and asked why they're being asked to leave.
This same back and forth goes on for a bit until eventually the manager said the reason he wanted them to leave is because he didn't like them ... now look, if someone wasn't doing something I asked them to do - irrespective of my doing something right or wrong - I probably wouldn't like them in that moment either. Come to think of it, I don't like anyone. Regardless.
The manager says 'get out, Rubble'.
The blacks decline to acquiesce.
The manager says you're now trespassing and I'm calling the po-po.
Soon thereafter, the blacks acquiesce to the 'scram' request.

Decent enough cases can be amateurishly litigated as to whether or not the manager was/is a racist.

The only newsworthy item from this piece is that people in Plano can read.

The rest of this is basically your daily Two Minutes Hate.
You have a strange definition of "normal service".


To that point, the service had been normal. The people were seated and given menus.

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To that point, the service had been normal. The people were seated and given menus.
Considering how often Don Tiny nitpicks others I think it's a strange way to phrase the concept of getting a menu.

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Terry's Peeps wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Don Tiny wrote:
Each 'side' on the bored is misrepresenting things here a bit, and the rest is conjecture.

They sat two folks that happened to be black.
They gave normal service to the blacks.
The manager asked if they'd give up their table for 'a regular', who happened to be white.
The blacks declined to acquiesce.
The manager said okay, fine, then 23-skidoo.
The blacks declined to acquiesce and asked why they're being asked to leave.
This same back and forth goes on for a bit until eventually the manager said the reason he wanted them to leave is because he didn't like them ... now look, if someone wasn't doing something I asked them to do - irrespective of my doing something right or wrong - I probably wouldn't like them in that moment either. Come to think of it, I don't like anyone. Regardless.
The manager says 'get out, Rubble'.
The blacks decline to acquiesce.
The manager says you're now trespassing and I'm calling the po-po.
Soon thereafter, the blacks acquiesce to the 'scram' request.

Decent enough cases can be amateurishly litigated as to whether or not the manager was/is a racist.

The only newsworthy item from this piece is that people in Plano can read.

The rest of this is basically your daily Two Minutes Hate.
You have a strange definition of "normal service".


To that point, the service had been normal. The people were seated and given menus.

And apparently ordered and received something since there was mentioning of them 'paying the tab' during the argument.

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Don Tiny wrote:
Terry's Peeps wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Don Tiny wrote:
Each 'side' on the bored is misrepresenting things here a bit, and the rest is conjecture.

They sat two folks that happened to be black.
They gave normal service to the blacks.
The manager asked if they'd give up their table for 'a regular', who happened to be white.
The blacks declined to acquiesce.
The manager said okay, fine, then 23-skidoo.
The blacks declined to acquiesce and asked why they're being asked to leave.
This same back and forth goes on for a bit until eventually the manager said the reason he wanted them to leave is because he didn't like them ... now look, if someone wasn't doing something I asked them to do - irrespective of my doing something right or wrong - I probably wouldn't like them in that moment either. Come to think of it, I don't like anyone. Regardless.
The manager says 'get out, Rubble'.
The blacks decline to acquiesce.
The manager says you're now trespassing and I'm calling the po-po.
Soon thereafter, the blacks acquiesce to the 'scram' request.

Decent enough cases can be amateurishly litigated as to whether or not the manager was/is a racist.

The only newsworthy item from this piece is that people in Plano can read.

The rest of this is basically your daily Two Minutes Hate.
You have a strange definition of "normal service".


To that point, the service had been normal. The people were seated and given menus.

And apparently ordered and received something since there was mentioning of them 'paying the tab' during the argument.


No ordering I think. Maybe it was a bar tab from while they were waiting before they were seated?

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Terry's Peeps wrote:
Don Tiny wrote:
Terry's Peeps wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Don Tiny wrote:
Each 'side' on the bored is misrepresenting things here a bit, and the rest is conjecture.

They sat two folks that happened to be black.
They gave normal service to the blacks.
The manager asked if they'd give up their table for 'a regular', who happened to be white.
The blacks declined to acquiesce.
The manager said okay, fine, then 23-skidoo.
The blacks declined to acquiesce and asked why they're being asked to leave.
This same back and forth goes on for a bit until eventually the manager said the reason he wanted them to leave is because he didn't like them ... now look, if someone wasn't doing something I asked them to do - irrespective of my doing something right or wrong - I probably wouldn't like them in that moment either. Come to think of it, I don't like anyone. Regardless.
The manager says 'get out, Rubble'.
The blacks decline to acquiesce.
The manager says you're now trespassing and I'm calling the po-po.
Soon thereafter, the blacks acquiesce to the 'scram' request.

Decent enough cases can be amateurishly litigated as to whether or not the manager was/is a racist.

The only newsworthy item from this piece is that people in Plano can read.

The rest of this is basically your daily Two Minutes Hate.
You have a strange definition of "normal service".


To that point, the service had been normal. The people were seated and given menus.

And apparently ordered and received something since there was mentioning of them 'paying the tab' during the argument.


No ordering I think. Maybe it was a bar tab from while they were waiting before they were seated?

Did they not order the drinks? Were they just handed to them upon arrival?

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Don Tiny wrote:
Terry's Peeps wrote:
Don Tiny wrote:
Terry's Peeps wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Don Tiny wrote:
Each 'side' on the bored is misrepresenting things here a bit, and the rest is conjecture.

They sat two folks that happened to be black.
They gave normal service to the blacks.
The manager asked if they'd give up their table for 'a regular', who happened to be white.
The blacks declined to acquiesce.
The manager said okay, fine, then 23-skidoo.
The blacks declined to acquiesce and asked why they're being asked to leave.
This same back and forth goes on for a bit until eventually the manager said the reason he wanted them to leave is because he didn't like them ... now look, if someone wasn't doing something I asked them to do - irrespective of my doing something right or wrong - I probably wouldn't like them in that moment either. Come to think of it, I don't like anyone. Regardless.
The manager says 'get out, Rubble'.
The blacks decline to acquiesce.
The manager says you're now trespassing and I'm calling the po-po.
Soon thereafter, the blacks acquiesce to the 'scram' request.

Decent enough cases can be amateurishly litigated as to whether or not the manager was/is a racist.

The only newsworthy item from this piece is that people in Plano can read.

The rest of this is basically your daily Two Minutes Hate.
You have a strange definition of "normal service".


To that point, the service had been normal. The people were seated and given menus.

And apparently ordered and received something since there was mentioning of them 'paying the tab' during the argument.


No ordering I think. Maybe it was a bar tab from while they were waiting before they were seated?

Did they not order the drinks? Were they just handed to them upon arrival?


Not ordering at the table. Don't be obtuse.

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The hell does it matter if they ordered at a bar or a table?

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"I do believe it’s because of who I am and how I look that they asked me to move tables,” said Wimbrey.


So they werent told they wouldn't be given a table, they were asked to move to a different table. But SERVICE WA AS EXTENDED, SERVICE WAS EXTENDED or some shit. :roll:


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"I do believe it’s because of who I am and how I look that they asked me to move tables,” said Wimbrey.


So they werent told they wouldn't be given a table, they were asked to move to a different table.

Correct.

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"I do believe it’s because of who I am and how I look that they asked me to move tables,” said Wimbrey.


So they werent told they wouldn't be given a table, they were asked to move to a different table. But SERVICE WA AS EXTENDED, SERVICE WAS EXTENDED or some shit. :roll:

Send them to the back of the restaurant!

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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"I do believe it’s because of who I am and how I look that they asked me to move tables,” said Wimbrey.


So they werent told they wouldn't be given a table, they were asked to move to a different table. But SERVICE WA AS EXTENDED, SERVICE WAS EXTENDED or some shit. :roll:

Send them to the back of the restaurant!

Can't; that's where they keep the Latino busboys.

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Don Tiny wrote:
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"I do believe it’s because of who I am and how I look that they asked me to move tables,” said Wimbrey.


So they werent told they wouldn't be given a table, they were asked to move to a different table.

Correct.


Could it be the manager would rather have the couple sit at a 4-spot and give The Regular the primo 2-spot, rather than the manager "extending service" to the couple only to let fly with his evil racism after they had been seated and served something? Which is more reasonable to believe?


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Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
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"I do believe it’s because of who I am and how I look that they asked me to move tables,” said Wimbrey.


So they werent told they wouldn't be given a table, they were asked to move to a different table. But SERVICE WA AS EXTENDED, SERVICE WAS EXTENDED or some shit. :roll:


Hilarious you don't find issue with that. You just head on over to that other counter, Leroy.


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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
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"I do believe it’s because of who I am and how I look that they asked me to move tables,” said Wimbrey.


So they werent told they wouldn't be given a table, they were asked to move to a different table. But SERVICE WA AS EXTENDED, SERVICE WAS EXTENDED or some shit. :roll:

Send them to the back of the restaurant!


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Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
Don Tiny wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
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"I do believe it’s because of who I am and how I look that they asked me to move tables,” said Wimbrey.


So they werent told they wouldn't be given a table, they were asked to move to a different table.

Correct.


Could it be the manager would rather have the couple sit at a 4-spot and give The Regular the primo 2-spot, rather than the manager "extending service" to the couple only to let fly with his evil racism after they had been seated and served something? Which is more reasonable to believe?

Why did the manager say he didn't like a person he supposedly didn't know?

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The only case where this might be somewhat defend-able is when you have a party of 2 sitting in a vary large booth that can occupy 6 people(or 3 + 1 JimmyPasta). Restaurants don't ask people to move, hell even in GoodFellas they just got another table for Henry and Karen, vs booting someone.


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Caller Bob wrote:
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"I do believe it’s because of who I am and how I look that they asked me to move tables,” said Wimbrey.


So they werent told they wouldn't be given a table, they were asked to move to a different table. But SERVICE WA AS EXTENDED, SERVICE WAS EXTENDED or some shit. :roll:


Hilarious you don't find issue with that. You just head on over to that other counter, Leroy.


So now a black couple cannot be asked to move to a different table without it being due to their race?

Also let's not forget that the "extended service" being revoked was a huge portion of your "but racism!" claims, only to find out that service wasn't going to be revoked from the onset of the encounter with the manager.


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The hell does it matter if they ordered at a bar or a table?


If they ordered prior to being seated, then no service was actually given outside of being seated.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
Don Tiny wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
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"I do believe it’s because of who I am and how I look that they asked me to move tables,” said Wimbrey.


So they werent told they wouldn't be given a table, they were asked to move to a different table.

Correct.


Could it be the manager would rather have the couple sit at a 4-spot and give The Regular the primo 2-spot, rather than the manager "extending service" to the couple only to let fly with his evil racism after they had been seated and served something? Which is more reasonable to believe?

Why did the manager say he didn't like a person he supposedly didn't know?


Because he's a pinhead in Plano who had his limited sphere of influence challenged?


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Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
Caller Bob wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
Quote:
"I do believe it’s because of who I am and how I look that they asked me to move tables,” said Wimbrey.


So they werent told they wouldn't be given a table, they were asked to move to a different table. But SERVICE WA AS EXTENDED, SERVICE WAS EXTENDED or some shit. :roll:


Hilarious you don't find issue with that. You just head on over to that other counter, Leroy.


So now a black couple cannot be asked to move to a different table without it being due to their race?

Also let's not forget that the "extended service" being revoked was a huge portion of your "but racism!" claims, only to find out that service wasn't going to be revoked from the onset of the encounter with the manager.


Were they asked to leave the premises?, answer the question.


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The better question is whether or not the idiot manager was fired. It's fairly clear he's a moron that's bad for business (or not, in MANY groups). And it's the Metroplex, so... :wink:

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Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
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"I do believe it’s because of who I am and how I look that they asked me to move tables,” said Wimbrey.


So they werent told they wouldn't be given a table, they were asked to move to a different table.

Correct.


Could it be the manager would rather have the couple sit at a 4-spot and give The Regular the primo 2-spot, rather than the manager "extending service" to the couple only to let fly with his evil racism after they had been seated and served something? Which is more reasonable to believe?

I don't know, and I don't care to engage in guessing games or playground semantics.

The guy's an ineffective douche-canoe for not being able or willing to placate one party or the other (possibly both). Whether there's more to it than that, I can't say ... nor can anyone here, not that it stops anyone.

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