I don’t think people should blindly accept that Jordan never faced a team as good as the warriors.

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So what happened in Miami?

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I think what makes Golden State a better team than any team Jordan faced is the presence of two MVP candidates on Golden State each of whom is still in their prime. Then on top of that you add a very good star in Thompson. Andre Igoudala could start for most teams and we haven't talked about Draymond yet. Pretty formidable. Not that MJ could control who he faced but I don't think he completed in the playoffs against a team as talented and deep as the current Warriors.

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It's not an apples to apples thing because they are very different players. Let's isolate a few things: LBJ can do more on defense because of things Jordan couldn't control, like his height and body type. That being said, relative to their traits, both were premier defenders at one point. Jordan probably tried more on defense for a longer stretch than LBJ did. But LBJ was more versatile than Jordan because of the height thing.

On offense Jordan was a better scorer than LBJ. I think that much is clear. But LBJ brought more to the table on offense. He could score at a top five PPG clip AND he brought elite PG skills to the table. It's probably better to compare him to Magic. But anyways this is what I mean by talent: the ability to do more on the basketball court. I think the answer there is LBJ.

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Nope.

The Lakers were better.

Hell maybe even the Sonics and Jazz.

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No way. Get that shit outta here.

The game is completely different today... that's the only way you could make that argument.

Edit: referring to the Jazz and Sonics

I would say it's also not true of that Laker team because Kareem was gone and Magic and Worthy were old. That was not a prime Lakers team.

I think the best team the Bulls had to go through was the Suns in 93. Matchup-wise, the Knicks were tough too.

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People forget things were different as you would expect. The opponents were better in conference finals and finals in my opinion. And because the league overall was more broadbetter those opponents beat each other up more.

Another thing that stands out is none of the finals opponents would be considered lucky garbage and they never faced a team twice. As for the east the Bulls never had it at a caskewalk and dominated going to six finals.

They also won them all. 6-0.

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That's just creating a criteria to benefit LeBron. I'm sure if it was the most efficient thing to do Jordan could have had elite pg skills. He didn't need to though. As I asked before is Russell Westbrook better? The same criteria gives Westbrook more talent than Jordan.

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Russell Westbrook is inefficient as hell.

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By the way I am sure it will be covered in the other new thread but this is a bit arrogant if that is the correct word. Not even considering or completely dismissing Walt or the all time points leader is silly.

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Magic and Worthy were younger then Lebron is now when they lost to the Bulls.

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Suns were good as well but I think they were a rung below.

Seattle was big and athletic and could play stifling defense. The Jazz had perhaps the greatest to ever play at 2 positions.

The eras are different as you say.

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Yeah, Lebron is pretty special.

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Elite scoring and elite pg skills though. He's also a better rebounder.

Whatever criteria you use to put LeBron over Jordan also puts Westbrook above Jordan.

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No it doesn't. Lebron is a historically efficient scorer. Westbrook is not.

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You still haven’t made a rebuttal to my argument. All you can do is say it’s “ridiculous”.

You know I’m right, but you just like to argue(which I understand). So you continue saying I’m wrong while not actually disagreeing.

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The Sonics D was very good, as evidenced by Jordan's series FG% - 41%.

Has Lebron ever shot that low in a series? Not rhetorical... I really am curious.

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Thos is the problem... I don't think you're right. You have yet to lay out an explanation why Lebron isn't even comparable to Jordan. You just keep saying that any "real" basketball fan knows this.

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Replace him with Harden then and Rick’s point still stands.

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That’s wrong. Can you not read?

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Your response to IMU is not an argument. You just responded to his mostly incorrect statements and poor argument.

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Good call.

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It is an argument though.

It comes down to this, as Rick has pointed out: the only arguments in favor of LeBron involve the ability to “do more” on a basketball court, and longevity. And in that case, you’ll have to be prepared to say that at least a half dozen current players are better than MJ.

There is no argument as to who was more dominant at their best. LeBron can’t win that one.

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I don't think you understand what an argument is. That's fine.

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Those Jazz teams were outstanding.

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I’m wondering how long you can keep up this whole act of telling me I’m wrong but not actually disagreeing with me.

But since apparently you’re the only fan smart enough to favor Jordan for the “right” reasons, enlighten us as to what they are.

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I think my point above is more than enough support for saying the warriors are better than any team Jordan faced. Again, two MVPs in their prime plus two stars in their prime. No one Jordan faced had that going for them. Get outta here with the Lakers in 1991. That might have been the worst of the six teams Jordan beat.

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That team when healthy is also clearly superior to LeBron team though. It's not a great thing for the GOAT to not even have the best team in his prime. Maybe Akheem is the GOAT?

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I don't have time at the moment, but we are arguing over your proclomation that it "isn't even close" about who was better in their prime. That's what I'm arguing.

Constantly repeating over and over that "real NBA fans" just KNOW that Jordan was better isn't a rationale as to why. It seems so obvious that they are pretty close that the burden of proof almost falls on you to prove that Lebron isn't even in Jordan's class. But your constant "appeal to authority" arguments are no more effective than when Julie DiCaro dismisses someone's opinion because she used to be a lawyer.

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The Warriors also broke the all-time regular season wins record.

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