On topic: I spend almost all my time in the Bears section, so some of you might suck more than the person I'll mention here.. Dignified Rube is probably the worst poster in that sub forum. I don't dislike him or anything, but his thoughts are typically.. not well thought out. If you will.

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If the rule you followed lead you to this, of what use was the rule?

White kids will be fine. They just aren't being born with as big of a head start as we were.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

When was it when white guys had a head start? When they were being shipped off to fight in Vietnam, Korea or Japan? Most white people aren’t yachting on the weekends.

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Why are only 14 percent of black CPS 11th-graders proficient in English?

Come on.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

No you didn't.

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Okay... I know we like to go back and forth but you've got to go sit in the back of the class 'cause you just suggested that white guys haven't had a head start in America for about 200 years.

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Didn’t you hear? We all grew up on Kennebunkport and went to Yale.

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Elections have consequences.

Hell I went to yale twice.
Full disclosure the second time was just for rapin.
And there's the application of the rape joke that Lindy West would never understand.

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Speak for yourself, whitey.

I see WF's point, but I'll assume based on his other posts that I won't agree with him entirely.

There are a variety of structural "disadvantages" that don't depend on race. Someone's whiteness doesn't necessarily matter if that person is born into a broken home, and/or is raised by uneducated caregivers, is exposed to violent crime throughout their formative years, is unable to benefit from services/programs/activities that more affluent peers have access to, etc. These types of things can afflict anyone regardless of race, and if you're one of these people then you definitely don't get a "head start" in life compared to peers who are born into two-parent homes, who do have a strong support system growing up, who are raised/influenced by educated caregivers, who do have access to extracurricular activities, etc.

That being said, it's obvious that race does matter of course, and this is where someone like Bernie Sanders got into trouble when he was running. It obviously sucks for anyone to be born into poverty and/or broken homes/communities, but I think it's still fair to say that the misery is compounded when you're black and born into those conditions. I wouldn't say that an underprivileged white person has a "head start" over an underprivileged black person (a black kid from an affluent/decently well-off family would have the "head start" over an underprivileged white kid), but many African Americans have to endure other difficulties/hurdles that are strictly race-based on top of other socioeconomic challenges they may be facing alongside underprivileged white communities, and this is what makes their case unique. The problem is when we try to organize everything into neat circles (all white people have head starts over black people, etc.) when the reality is much more nuanced.

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Kyrie Irving will never win anything as a team's alpha: check
T.rubisky is a bust: check
Ben Simmons is a liability: check
The Fields Cult is dumb: double check

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Ah fucked up poor whites have a lower misery Q factor than equally fucked blacks. Got it.

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That's not a fair take on what I said.

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Kyrie Irving will never win anything as a team's alpha: check
T.rubisky is a bust: check
Ben Simmons is a liability: check
The Fields Cult is dumb: double check

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Where the average white person has an advantage is the social connections to people who make hiring or admission decisions. It’s about who you know more times than not.

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Hawaii (fuck) You

After thousands of posts, you finally have one where you didn't tell someone to fuck themselves with a rusty chainsaw and you're the innocent martyr? Go fuck yourself.

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Wouldn't agree with this. Plenty of middle/upper class African Americans that have professional connections they can either leverage for themselves or for their children. Had an African American friend growing up whose father worked for the Tribune and then McDonald's corporate. He pulled some strings to get my friend an internship at some company and then later on to help him get on the wait list for admission into a university for grad school. My father had no such connections. In this case I'd say my black friend had more of a head start over myself and anyone else - white or black - who couldn't benefit from similar connections.

At the same time I remember playing basketball with this friend and a bunch of other black, Hispanic and white friends one day. We had a friendly town vs town basketball game in the middle of a Naperville neighborhood on an outdoor court. With girlfriends and other friends present to watch we must have been 20-25 deep. Midway through the game two cop cruisers pulled up out of nowhere and the officers got out to approach us. Someone in the neighborhood must have called them, and I don't think they called them because someone like me was around. It was probably more so the presence of my head start black friend and others who looked like him that triggered someone to call.

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Successful calls:

Kyrie Irving will never win anything as a team's alpha: check
T.rubisky is a bust: check
Ben Simmons is a liability: check
The Fields Cult is dumb: double check

2013 CSFMB ROY

I will attempt to illustrate what a "headstart" happens to be and how it functions. I will provide but one example of ehat it looks like.

Since 1995 here are the list of CPS "CEOs"

1. Paul Vallas
2. Arne Duncan
3. Ron Huberman
4. Terry Mizany
5. Barbara Byrd Bennett
6. Brizard
7. Forrest Claypool
8. Janice Jackson.

Notice a pattern? I sure do. All of the whites on the list were essentially political hires. Not one of them had any connection to education. Each of the Whites sans Claypool used CPS as a springboard to bigger and better things. Duncan and Huberman were young guys who up until that point had never been all that successful at anything. They also all came straight from City Hall.

If you want to know what a "headstart" looks like that's it. You can probably look at other sectors and you'd find the same thing.

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Wasn't Barbara Byrd Bennett a criminally political hire?

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And over time more blacks will be I. Higher management and the corrections will happen.

That is not my solution but my guess as to what will happen. I have always felt racial soluwill be evolved not immediate.

Btw, it is my prediction that Hispanics will be the group far advancing sooner. That may cause interesting issues.

Edit. In. More blacks will be in.

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She had an education background and she also had experience running a big city school district. She had the credentials to run CPS. The aforementioned guys didn't. She could have got the job based on her own merits.

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olympiafieldsmike mult in progress.

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Pretty soon, there will be no blacks at all!

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There is a large chasm between saying that being white is “bad” versus simply acknowledging that being a white person in America over the past 200 or so years has afforded a white person some advantages, many of them some of the ambiguous ideas mention d by others.

Median white household net worth - 170k, median black household net worth - 17k.
Rate of white home ownership - 71%, median white home ownership - 42%.
High school graduation rate for white students - 85%, graduation rates for black students - 70%.

It isn’t bad to be white, but it does come with advantages in 21st century America.

Hell, you don't have to look any further than the guys who promoted them. One a legacy idiot clown, and the other, a guy who traded in his toeshoes to trade on his connections.

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Hate to break it to ya Leash, but you're the one who's been acting like a toddler lately.

So can we close this out since we have a clear winner?
I mean loser?

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Feeling left out Darko?

Nope.

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I'd debate your example but I think your point is good and I'd hate for it to be lost in some foolishness.

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It's the politicization of history. Most white people were struggling through extreme poverty for the majority of this country's history. I know you believe in this Disney view of history where white people were evil snobs living off the labor of noble black people, who just needed a chance to succeed, but we have largely a shared history in this country. There was a very small rich class, but the vast majority of people were toiling in the fields and factories struggling to make ends meet. So we need to stop with this notion that we are so different, and our experiences can never be compared.

My grandfather worked in steel mills in northwest Indiana along with black workers. I can't imagine their lives were terribly different. Who do you think had a better standard of living: a black person here in Chicago in the 40s or people living in Europe living through war, famine and then, for many millions, Soviet rule.

We are playing into the worst of extremes by pushing out this notion of permanent white guilt and black disadvantage. We had a terrible racist system in place for years, but we have taken steps to remedy it. And there are systems in place to fight racism. Racism again blacks was a terrible part of our history, but it was hardly the only atrocity carried carried out against the working class here in the United States. To only focus on racism as we tend to do in our culture is divisive.

Recently I met with a laborer from Ukraine who fled because of the war there, and he was saving up to send money back to bring his family over working 12 hours days doing home upgrades. White privilege indeed.

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Why are only 14 percent of black CPS 11th-graders proficient in English?