By the way to one of Bryan’s points I do remember the guys I grew up with having a hell of a time getting in. Like you had to be sponsored or your dad knew someone. I assumed that was racial though.

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You typically get hired by a union shop that sponsors you into the union. At least that's how it worked for me.
I am very happy to be in the union. All I pay for my family plan health care is my union dues. UA is big enough that they have a great 401k plan (which I opted for over a pension). They resolve conflicts with employers without names being brought up .. so if you have a legit beef you go to the union and they go to the company and get it resolved. This happened once to my knowledge here where we all got the benefit of a payroll complaint. They mandate training which is huge as the industry is seeing big changes in equipment at the moment (for example traditional pac motors are going to be a thing of the past very shortly).

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I didnt make any call on this larger subject. Just the few things I know to be true from my own experience.

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isn't one of the hardships with this that even if you get an apprenticeship you're not making enough to support yourself initially during the apprenticeship?

honestly i'd jump at the chance to get into one of these situations, but i know nothing about how to do it... and i tend to colloquially refer to my resume as "the dumpster fire." i couldn't even get a legit sniff of data entry gigs extremely local to me and that's what i've got the most practical experience in (and i'm fairly awesome at work/ing once i get my foot in the door, but my lack of societal accreditation via a resume tends to kill most of my chances at getting in on some sort of a 9-5/FT gig right off the bat. that's why i took up with the local amazon warehouse even tho it's technically part time.... at least it's something, you know?)

at least i'm up early and getting a workout... it's good solid stuff in that regard. they've got logistics down pat i tell you what (and i did data entry at a couple'a freight forwarders in the early 00s so i've got some experience with that) but yeah, if i could get into some sort of a trade like the aforementioned stuff i'd do it in a heartbeat.

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Fixed.

Outside of that I think most people were speaking from a fairly educated POV.

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Get fucked, good sir.

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Listen to the river sing sweet songs
To rock my soul

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Should've added to this on Friday, but the latest job numbers show unemployment has fallen to 3.9%. It hasn't been that low since the dot com boom. With the economy at full employment, it really underscores our need for more immigrants we are rapidly approaching a point where we do not have enough people in the workforce to meet demand.

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“When I walked in this morning, and saw the flag was at half mast, I thought 'alright another bureaucrat ate it.'" - Ron Swanson

I am sure there are plenty waiting to come the right way and do the jobs.

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surprise surprise the jew wants more immigrants coming to america

Study economics and you would understand why. It's a growth engine for the economy, and one that is needed when faced with a declining birth rate and aging population.

Just look at what will happen in Japan over the next decade or two as that is your future if you do not address this.

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I agree, but I will add that one of the major reasons we have so much illegal immigration is that we have put burdensome laws in place which make it nearly impossible for those people to come here legally. As with most things, government red tape serves no purpose other than to retard economic growth.

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You are correct. An unless Brick thinks I have ignored something it is the laws that are the main problem. For the record as a reminder I am not against immigration in any way. I want the laws changed or rather revolutionized to make things better. Then all those people coming in illegally can find the life they seek lawfully and more easily.

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Unemployment has fallen to 3.8% and wages are up 2.7%.

There are 6.6 million job openings right now without people to fill them.

I guess Trump can always start a trade war to ruin this great economic run.

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Trade wars are good and easy to win.

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Why are only 14 percent of black CPS 11th-graders proficient in English?

This is so wrong in every aspect...

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“When I walked in this morning, and saw the flag was at half mast, I thought 'alright another bureaucrat ate it.'" - Ron Swanson

The problem is not that we need more immigrants. It is that they are coming here and not assimilating.

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I think you are missing something. https://www.cnbc.com/2018/03/02/trump-t ... o-win.html

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Why are only 14 percent of black CPS 11th-graders proficient in English?

No we have so much illegal is that employers make more money off of them and it is a way to keep wages low.

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When I am stuck and need to figure something out I always remember the Immortal words of Socrates when he said:"I just drank what?"

Donald Trump doesn't even understand trade deficits so I don't think I'd take that moron's word on this one

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It's insane to think that we want to bring back steel production 40 years after the fact. It's something that should hopefully be done mostly by machines anyway. It's about as terrible as a job can get.

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Why are only 14 percent of black CPS 11th-graders proficient in English?

Yeah. And then you have the question of where are you going to find a college that doesn't turn your kid into just another liberal hater and give him a "degree" which doesn't maybe match his interest and skill set. Unless a kid really wants to become a doctor, lawyer, CPA, or such maybe college, especially a very expensive college or university may not be the best answer. There is kind of a change in thinking among any employers that they might want to recruit kids out of high school who have good skills and train them themselves in what they are going to need skill and education wise in a few years. Technical trades and technology in general are making a strong push for talent.

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Oh, he might have went on livin'
But he made one fatal slip
When he tried to match the Ranger
With the big iron on his hip

My youngest son took advantage of an internship in both his junior and senior years in college and graduated at a time where jobs were scarce. He got a job out of college as an interim measure and the company he interned with while in school hired him about 6 month later and his career is going well now.

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An Ode to the Texas man who shot an Antifa terrorist:

Oh, he might have went on livin'
But he made one fatal slip
When he tried to match the Ranger
With the big iron on his hip

My oldest son is in commercial HVAC and says the same thing that you do. He also says that the majority of the young guys who do enter the work force do the least amount of work possible and are there just to collect a check. He is playing around with the idea of going to Puerto Rico for a year or two. He says that the deal that tradesmen get to go there and work is a great one.

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An Ode to the Texas man who shot an Antifa terrorist:

Oh, he might have went on livin'
But he made one fatal slip
When he tried to match the Ranger
With the big iron on his hip

That would be true IF the jobs matched the training level required for them. They do not. The last thing this country needs is more uneducated workers who cannot speck English and require massive amounts of money to take care of them. Also, the future is always getting ignored and obliterated by the present. Manufacturing especially is moving heavily into automation and robotics. Even farming is becoming more and more automated. The reality is that this notion that illegal aliens are taking the jobs that Americans do not want cannot be allowed to advance. Healthy American people have got to work for a living not live on the government teat.

This is going to also require a major change in the education system of this country. Schools need to stop cranking out illiterate uncompetitive students like they are doing now. If a kid is lazy and doesn't want to learn, then they should still have to work in public works projects, menial jobs, etc. And the kids who want to learn and make a good life for themselves need to be given opportunity to compete and thrive. This also means an upcoming fight with the teachers unions and lobby and to make the old dead wood within their ranks get out of the way and get new ideas and results oriented schools to prosper.

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An Ode to the Texas man who shot an Antifa terrorist:

Oh, he might have went on livin'
But he made one fatal slip
When he tried to match the Ranger
With the big iron on his hip

So........the uneducated folks in south American and Mexico are needed to foster the ability of the United States to compete economically in the upcoming decades? People who cannot read, write, or communicate are to be destined to fill computer programming, graphic arts, automotive technician, nursing, biological and pharm jobs, et al?

I beg to differ with this notion that the US is responsible for bringing in millions of unskilled, illiterate workers across the world. It has no obligation to be the world's dumping ground for these people. Now then, I am all for a better, more efficient method of bring people from other countries to live and work here. But set it up as a gigantic job search project. Post work opportunities along with skill requirement and send it to the world. Then select out of the data bank the names and countries of origin for the people who qualify and consider them for immigration. But not this bullcrap about opening the borders and letting all of the people in who happen to be found there in:(

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An Ode to the Texas man who shot an Antifa terrorist:

Oh, he might have went on livin'
But he made one fatal slip
When he tried to match the Ranger
With the big iron on his hip

Darko / Mike Rowe = match

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