I don't want to get into the myth regarding slavery either. No it isn't about an entire race and I'm not going to do the fallacious generalization tactic that often occurs in this. Nothing is absolute. Let the record show that you were the first to use the "your" pronoun also.

I could also bring up the struggles of Africans but it isn't relative to the discussion either. I really don't know what your struggle angle happens to be but I do know that once you were effectively refuted you attempted to change course to things afflicting people in Europe or elsewhere.

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A strange, post-conclusion detour....

One wonders, "HOW DOES THIS GET US CLOSER TO DECLARING A WINNER?"

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Hawaii (fuck) You

It's really disappointing that many choose not to accept this as a reasonable starting point for this discussion.

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There are only two examples of infinity: The universe and human stupidity and I'm not sure about the universe.

The concept of "white guilt" is your problem. Acknowledging that things haven't always been equal and even today some of those inequalities still remain is better than blind defiance, mentioning atrocities in other countries, or minimizing it because your ancestors had other challenges.

You seem to take it personally that inequality has existed and in some ways still does. You don't have to.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

What if I told you race played a role, but the larger picture was more based upon household starting point? I mean figures such as if it's a 2 parent household (not to say single parents can't do it), parent education level, etc. I would say if you break down the statistics via those measures you get the full picture.

Take children in a black household with 2 educated parents and that child will likely have a better outcome than the white child with divorced parents who have a GED.

I'm not going to discount that race doesn't play a role, as it certainly does. I'm just saying that simplifying it down to race is ignoring other factors at hand. We can certainly agree that race will play a role in things such as school discipline as we certainly know our schools are not evenhanded there, neither is our justice system. We know that a white child and black child in trouble for the same exact thing won't be punished equivalently in most cases and yes that is a problem.

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OO has vegan on ignore.

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If there is such equality to found within the struggle then why aren't there any white ghettos in Chicago? This city is a third black third Hispanic and a third white essentially. If there is equivalence then why are the impoverished areas in this city overwhelmingly found in Black or Hispanic neighborhoods?

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Are you denying that whites don't live in impoverished communities, that there are low income or no income whites, that whites arent afforded the same opportunities as more affluent white and black peers?

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So we all agree that baby mac is the worst poster then?

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Was there ever any doubt?

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“When I walked in this morning, and saw the flag was at half mast, I thought 'alright another bureaucrat ate it.'" - Ron Swanson

There are.

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Of course he is. That's acceptable racism nowadays.

23% agree with you. I voted Elmhurst Steve.

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From the clown that repeatedly reassures the world that he has me on "ignore". That is until he doesn't of course. In typical presumptuous fashion no less.

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Canaryville is like the textbook definition of white ghetto.

Shots fired at Chas!

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No what you asked doesn't apply to any point that i have made thus far. My question was specific and relative to Chicago.

I will address your point. Of course there are poor, impoverished whites. Our welfare rolls contain whites as well (though Republicans would never have you believe that it did/does.

My basic point is that it doesn't nor has it ever effected whites in the way it does blacks. Black unemployment has always been twice that of the national avg and probably three to four times that of whites.

I just provided an example of what occurred in CPS (which was customarily ignored). There are countless other examples. Poverty for whites exists yes but the ability for whites to rise above it is much more pronounced than it is for blacks. Social, Political, and Economic capital allows for it. Doesn't mean that all will do so but the opportunities are there.


Ghettos are synonymous with African Americans and Hispanics in this country. When you think ghetto the connotation always pertains to African Americans and Hispanics

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Have you been to Canaryville?

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When I am stuck and need to figure something out I always remember the Immortal words of Socrates when he said:"I just drank what?"

There are a number of blacks living in Chicago right now that would say something like

"Why even play when the game is rigged? Fuck a job working for some white ass punk motherfucker making his ass rich!"

He isn't wrong in that he is at a disadvantage, but there is a likely situation where he could be employed and chooses not to. That job then goes to Payaso.

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Rick Hahn is the best GM in baseball.

Fifteen more pages.

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My guy!

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I concur,inbreed white trash mayo sandwich eating mouthbreathing Irish fucks.

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When I am stuck and need to figure something out I always remember the Immortal words of Socrates when he said:"I just drank what?"

Parent education level. I totally agree, the level of education your parents have reached has a tremendous impact on the level of education that children of those parents will attain, the level of net worth of those children, their physical health, etc. Education level of parents is one of the best indicators of the education level that the children of those parents will attain.

You realize that up until about 50 year ago all higher education was essentially closed off to black people. You realize this right? I honestly don't think you do.

You realize that up until about 50 years ago any semblance of any K-16 education for any person of color in the south was essentially non-existent. You realize this right? I honestly don't think you do.

You realize that up until about, call it 15 years ago (and it still might be going on now) essentially every major metropolitan city had some form or another of "school bussing" programs because of how disproportionately educational resources were bring spent on children of differing ethnicity. You realize this right? I honestly don't think you do.

I can do a post contrasting the environment in the United States over the past 200+ years as it pertains to fostering two parent households as a stable and steadying influence when comparing black families and white families. I'm hoping that you can figure that one out for yourself though. I mean the years from 1776 through 1865 should be a layup even for someone lacking the knowledge that you clearly do.

The usual suspects are deep in it. My post is going overlooked. Plus, this had 15 more pages already destined to be written.

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I'm not gonna 100% co-sign this because I can't verify the actual number of people saying that quote, but I have heard first hand disadvantaged people on the south side say similar things.

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You are right and I agree. Trust me I do. I have seen it first hand with many of the guys that I grew up with. They removed themselves from the system at an early age and chose a different way. That way at the time was rather lucrative but it was also fleeting and they never realized it. Back then there were modern Horatio Alger stories being born overnight. Couldn't tell them shit as MANY often told me that that particular life and lifestyle was here to stay. I never judged them because I realized that most were in many ways raising themselves. Fast forward 20-25 years and most of them still haven't figured out which way is up.


They did fashion themselves to be entrepreneurs back then and anything that looked like employment was a signal that they'd somehow conformed. It is so crazy but it is no less true.

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Nah Vegan you're cool. Only guy I have on ignore is One Post, which is hilarious because he writes long winded replies to me and I never read them. I practically live rent free in his head. It's kind of nice.

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“When I walked in this morning, and saw the flag was at half mast, I thought 'alright another bureaucrat ate it.'" - Ron Swanson

Regardless, I don't know why it's so difficult to agree that barriers to economic growth affect both whites and blacks, and that blacks can and do face race-based discrimination although not at levels seen prior to and during the civil rights movement.

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