Wade bosh and Lebron made the all star team every season they played with each other. Twice Pippen was left off the all star team when the bulls won a championship.

That was the contention that started the whole thing my friend. If you're honest you'd go back to read and then admit that. If not then we're done here.

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Great job cherry picking stats.

I’m a big Pippen guy. I think it’s a close argument. But you’ve repeatedly called Pippen a glorified role player and Wade won a title as the best player, was Finals MVP, and was All NBA first team his two seasons prior to LeBron joining him.

You have to pick a lane. Not me.

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I relayed pretty much every major stat? You want me to look up VORP and all that shit? What was so misleading about what I posted? Wade wasn't the best player in 2005. At best he was co equals with Shaq. Pippen was all NBA first team more times than Wade was.

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Glamour position is singular. Big Men is plural. The original argument was Centers vs SGs. Where in the hell did PFs come in. I know. When the whole Center thing was debunked.

Meantime its stupid to keep focusing on that. My point and it is valid is that Jordan matched up against other great players at his position.

That stuff matters because Lebron Dominating Obie Wai Kanoby isn't the same as him dominating Durant.

You know why Jordan's 63 against Boston was a legendary feat? Because Boston was a legendary team. He had 60 against other teams and no one gave a shit. It was also a playoff game but it was done against Bird Mchale. No one gives a shit if he does it against Trent Tucker.

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You know why oh ye of much history? Wade's competition was Kobe Bryant. Who was Pippen's competition at Small Forward?

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I enjoy the question mark on points. Pippens season high in points is 22. 8 times wade exceeded that number.

Wade was the best player in 06 when he won Finals MVP and dominated the entire postseason. He also outplayed LeBron in the 2011 Finals. He was a top 5 player when LeBron joined him and played like it.

You still have not addressed my point about the mutually exclusive positions you are attempting to hold.

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You're reading too much into that. Wade bests Pippen in points. It's not even close.

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Your whole “glamour position” argument is laughable. The reason PF’s we’re engaged was to show you that not only was your theory wrong; it was wrong on at least two different levels.

And you need to abandon your position vs position theory. The best two guard that Jordan faced in any Finals series was Drexler (who was way overrated). Number two? Fuck, I don’t know. Dan Majerle? Your theories on this shit are terrible. Stop doubling down on them.

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LeBron is dragging a team of three-point specialists to a sweep of the Eastern Conference’s top seed. BUT HIS COMPETITION SUCKS

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You sound stupid to be honest. First off Drexler is a top 50 player. While you keep arguing thhat this or that guy isn't shit or is overrated you keep failing to admit who Lebron has outplayed. You are celebrating a guy fucking up a guy likely to be in the G League while saying Clyde Drexler isn't shit. Think about the stupidity of that.

Another thing. It is funny how the whole "East ain't shit" argument goes out the window whenever you need to praise Lebron James. Funny how that works with you. You never seem to factor that in when it is time to praise him.

The East ain't shit argument is Vegan's. Its hard to keep this alignment going. Didn't look at the name.

Let me say this. Jordan had to face Jordan Dumars and quite possibly the greatest defensive team of my lifetime and distinguished himself to the point of them creating a special defense for him.

If that is not the ultimate display of respect then i don't know what is.

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Love has 23-6 through 3 quarters tonight. 21-16 last game and 31-11 the game before that. He was an all star this year.

If you’re gonna continually accuse others of making embarrassing, ridiculous arguments, maybe don’t call a guy like that a 3 point specialist.

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Your entire post could be boiled down to you just calling me stupid. Compelling.

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Actually that was reserved for Vegan.

Again its not just about Finals appearances. Jordan faced Detroit at least 3 different times in the playoffs. They had perhaps the greatest group of defenders of my lifetime. He was still able to play at a high level even while they stacked their defense against him. You can continue to discount everything if you like but that doesn't discount the points being made.

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It's true - I don't believe Pippen was super special. However my subjective narrative about Pippen is irrelevant - the numbers tell their own story about Pippen vs Wade. I could believe Pippen is no better than Jack Haley - it doesn't matter. Go where the numbers take you. You'll see what I said about Jordan having teammates as talented as James isn't too far off base.

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Right, and the numbers take you to Wade being clearly the best player on a championship team in 06 and to both Pippen and Wade being all time great players.

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Ignoring the 2006 thing for a minute, are we done with the whole LBJ loves his superteams thing? Jordan played with an equally talented team as well. Not to take anything away from him tho.

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You NBA people are frequently wrong and can’t stay on topic. I’ll attribute it to the marijuana.

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Ok so he played with an equally talented team according to you, was far less successful, and wasn’t the best player in the Finals every time like Jordan and was in fact outplayed once by his own teammate in one. That same teammate who you’re now trying to knock as worse than a guy who you once called a glorified role player.

You’re having a rough thread my friend.

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I think LTG kicked you around enough for one day. Save some energy for tomorrow.

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He’s gonna believe that.

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Trying to mitigate the super team criticism by saying the Bulls were talented too is ridiculous.

The criticism of the decision and KD to Golden State is that players took the easy way out rather than being able to overcome.

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Yup.

That’s why it was kind of amusing seeing GS dismantle the Cavs last year. LeBron set that up. Very good chance Durant doesn’t do what he did without The Decision.

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No one has had to play with the pressure that James has. Jordan got to become the best player. Since he was 18 he was going to get shit on if he wasn't the best player. He still gets viewed through that lens. Nothing impresses anyone because it is expected. That's why he went to Miami. He NEEDED a ring. He was starting to feel that pressure.

It's all bullshit though. When the bulls acquired Rodman (HOF) does that mean Jordan should have left the Bulls to go to a less talented team and "overcome" that way?

What is the difference between a home grown super team and one that has been manufactured like GS or Miami? What is the functional difference between playing with a super star that your team drafted and playing with a super star that you joined in free agency?

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Presumptuous. JLN legal brief vibe.

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The difference is that Bosh and Wade were already elite players. Scottie Pippen was very much an unknown quantity and it remained that way until the series against the Lakers quite frankly.

Whole lot of revisionist history here. Michael Jordan could have easily thrown No tipping under the bus after the migraine headache game ( is there any doubt as to how Mr. Throw you under the bus would have reacted if placed in a similar situation?) but didn't. It is easy to say that they were a superteam now but that wasn't the view in 91. They weren't the favorite in the series against the Lakers and few thought of them as a superteam.

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The bulls also acquired a 35 year old Rodman. Wade turned 35 last year, I don’t think anyone considered wade a super star when wade went to the bulls two years ago. It was a retirement package.

It was discounted by the Lebron side that it appears correct that Pippen was the only all star Jordan played with.

But only five times in his career did Jordan have a team with another all star. I’d guess James had a second all star over half of his seasons and 5 or 6 had two!

If you are the best player ever playing with two other all stars (that you hand pick as your teammates you should fucking win a title.). Not this bullshit about taking time to learn to share.

Also did someone really say it was Pippen being under paid that allowed the bulls to win.

The heat teams literally colluded three top 10 players in the nba to sub max contracts to play together. .

Let's not forget the argument regarding "superteams" either. Yeah the euphoria over the drafting of Scottie Pippen in 87 was similar to the arrival of the Beatles to America in 1962. Parades were held and ESPN did an hourlong show simply known as the "Drafting". Everyone surely knew that the Bulls would be no doubt winners after that move was made. Krause was thought to be a genius for his fleecing of Seattle right after the deal was consummated.

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