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PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2018 1:52 pm 
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Rodon is toast.


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and Rey Lopez should be included too.


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every single pitcher the sox have ever acquired or drafted immediately loses 5mph as soon as they put on the uniform.

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PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2018 2:43 pm 
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and Rey Lopez should be included too.


Oh, see, there are so many waves of pitching talent I forget the one that has already washed ashore.

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He’s shown flashes after a brilliant month last September. Time to give up on him though. I mean the great ones never struggle at first.


Brilliant is stretching it. Decent is more like it. He made three of his September starts against the putrid Royals and Giants.


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America wrote:
Rodon is toast.

Hatchetman has been saying that for two years now...


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I’ll have you know that Lucas Giolito has the worst xFIP in the history of xFIP.

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No bueno. He’ll figure it out.


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PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2018 10:12 pm 
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No bueno. He’ll figure it out.


He’ll figure out how to flip burgers, if he’s lucky.

Forget about it. We got Lopez and Dunning in that same trade, for some midget named Adam Eaton. Why would the Nationals just volunteer to be raped in such a brutal fashion?

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I’ll have you know that Lucas Giolito has the worst xFIP in the history of xFIP.


Going into last night Lopez is three spots away from Giolito in the same category.


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juschill wrote:
whiskey dick wrote:
I’ll have you know that Lucas Giolito has the worst xFIP in the history of xFIP.


Going into last night Lopez is three spots away from Giolito in the same category.


The saber community has sat in anticipation of Lopez failing all year and he continues to go out and provide quality starts. It is similar to Avi last year

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juschill wrote:
whiskey dick wrote:
I’ll have you know that Lucas Giolito has the worst xFIP in the history of xFIP.


Going into last night Lopez is three spots away from Giolito in the same category.


What was Quintana's xFIP before the Cubs traded Jimenez and Cease for him?


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PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2018 1:00 pm 
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I’ll have you know that Lucas Giolito has the worst xFIP in the history of xFIP.


Going into last night Lopez is three spots away from Giolito in the same category.


Yes, but Lucas still has everyone beaten by a country mile. Usually the worst starters in the league are right around the 5.5 range. Lucas is at 6.9. He’s gonna break the god damn fipometer or whatever it is that they use to measure fip.

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good dolphin wrote:
juschill wrote:
whiskey dick wrote:
I’ll have you know that Lucas Giolito has the worst xFIP in the history of xFIP.


Going into last night Lopez is three spots away from Giolito in the same category.


The saber community has sat in anticipation of Lopez failing all year and he continues to go out and provide quality starts. It is similar to Avi last year


Also quite the opposite of Moncada, who they said would bust out based on his exit velocity and he has considerably improved. Garcia has regressed this year. Small sample size for Lopez but doesn't look promising.


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MartyD47 wrote:
juschill wrote:
whiskey dick wrote:
I’ll have you know that Lucas Giolito has the worst xFIP in the history of xFIP.


Going into last night Lopez is three spots away from Giolito in the same category.


What was Quintana's xFIP before the Cubs traded Jimenez and Cease for him?


Not sure. What do you suppose it was? Is it relevant to Giolito and Lopez?


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juschill wrote:
good dolphin wrote:
juschill wrote:
whiskey dick wrote:
I’ll have you know that Lucas Giolito has the worst xFIP in the history of xFIP.


Going into last night Lopez is three spots away from Giolito in the same category.


The saber community has sat in anticipation of Lopez failing all year and he continues to go out and provide quality starts. It is similar to Avi last year


Also quite the opposite of Moncada, who they said would bust out based on his exit velocity and he has considerably improved. Garcia has regressed this year. Small sample size for Lopez but doesn't look promising.

Well, Avi has been hurt. Lopez doesn't look promising? That's not clear. He's the definition of promising (looks good for the future based on a small amount of starts).


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Well, Avi has been hurt. Lopez doesn't look promising? That's not clear. He's the definition of promising (looks good for the future based on a small amount of starts).


I mean the peripherals don't look promising. Looking at the peripherals at some point the results will match them (or the peripherals themselves will change). Just like Moncada when he was hitting .150 and leading the league in exit velocity, eventually his results started improving. Unless Lopez's peripherals change eventual the results will mirror them.


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There’s a guy on the rotoworld forum that offered up a pretty good summary:

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1) For Roto leagues, in today's pitching environment, a 6.29 K/9 is a killer when most teams are racking up more than a K/IP (and his K/9 last year was 5.66, so I'm not holding out hope for a major K spike this year, though it's possible in the future as he learns to really pitch).
2) He walks 10.4% of the batters he faces so far, with a K-BB% of only 6.6%. That's not good. It's one thing to be kinda wild and strike out everybody. It's another to walk a lot and not K a lot to offset.
3) He appears to have been the beneficiary of some good fortune. His BABIP is .202 while his LOB% is 82.6%. Digging deeper, he's 14th in the league in IFFB%, which obviously lowers BABIP. His soft contact of 25.4% is 8th in the league, while his hard contact of 33.1% is 42nd in the league. So there's some evidence to suggest he may outpace league average BABIP, but a .202 still feels really low. IFFBs would help leave guys stranded, in theory, as would a high GB-rate or a high K-rate, neither of which Lopez has.


An important thing to take away from this: he induces a lot of weak contact. We’d all love for him to get more Ks, of course. In his previous three outings before the Pirates game, he struck out only 4 batters in 18 innings. That is extraordinarily weak. Let’s hope that the strikeouts come, in time.

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juschill wrote:
good dolphin wrote:
juschill wrote:
whiskey dick wrote:
I’ll have you know that Lucas Giolito has the worst xFIP in the history of xFIP.


Going into last night Lopez is three spots away from Giolito in the same category.


The saber community has sat in anticipation of Lopez failing all year and he continues to go out and provide quality starts. It is similar to Avi last year


Also quite the opposite of Moncada, who they said would bust out based on his exit velocity and he has considerably improved. Garcia has regressed this year. Small sample size for Lopez but doesn't look promising.


I meant in season in regards to Avi being similar to Lopez. Each month the drumbeat of regression was sounded and each month he produced consistently.

Lopez is a different animal though as he is a rookie. I would expect things like w/9 to get better with more work.

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juschill wrote:
MartyD47 wrote:
juschill wrote:
whiskey dick wrote:
I’ll have you know that Lucas Giolito has the worst xFIP in the history of xFIP.


Going into last night Lopez is three spots away from Giolito in the same category.


What was Quintana's xFIP before the Cubs traded Jimenez and Cease for him?


Not sure. What do you suppose it was? Is it relevant to Giolito and Lopez?


I'd like to judge the accuracy of xFIP in determining good pitchers from bad.


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MartyD47 wrote:
juschill wrote:
MartyD47 wrote:
juschill wrote:
whiskey dick wrote:
I’ll have you know that Lucas Giolito has the worst xFIP in the history of xFIP.


Going into last night Lopez is three spots away from Giolito in the same category.


What was Quintana's xFIP before the Cubs traded Jimenez and Cease for him?


Not sure. What do you suppose it was? Is it relevant to Giolito and Lopez?


I'd like to judge the accuracy of xFIP in determining good pitchers from bad.


It's presumably available on fangraphs. Google it.


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juschill wrote:
MartyD47 wrote:
juschill wrote:
MartyD47 wrote:
juschill wrote:
whiskey dick wrote:
I’ll have you know that Lucas Giolito has the worst xFIP in the history of xFIP.


Going into last night Lopez is three spots away from Giolito in the same category.


What was Quintana's xFIP before the Cubs traded Jimenez and Cease for him?


Not sure. What do you suppose it was? Is it relevant to Giolito and Lopez?


I'd like to judge the accuracy of xFIP in determining good pitchers from bad.


It's presumably available on fangraphs. Google it.


Giolito, Lopez, and Shields are currently 1, 2, 3 (not in the good way) in xFIP.

Ugh.


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How many no hitters would Giolito have to throw for the rest of the season to make this thread become reality?


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How many no hitters would Giolito have to throw for the rest of the season to make this thread become reality?

14.

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This may have been a poor thread.


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Frank Coztansa wrote:
This may have been a poor thread.


+1

Still early.

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FavreFan wrote:
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Frank Coztansa wrote:
This may have been a poor thread.


+1

Still early.


Still early in his 2018 Cy Young campaign?


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Jacob deGrom has a 1.55 ERA this season. The Mets are 5-9 in his starts.

Lucas Giolito has an MLB-worst 7.09 ERA. The White Sox are 5-8 in his starts.

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Jacob deGrom has a 1.55 ERA this season. The Mets are 5-9 in his starts.

Lucas Giolito has an MLB-worst 7.09 ERA. The White Sox are 5-8 in his starts.



I'll see how Jorr spins this one, should be interesting

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Jacob deGrom has a 1.55 ERA this season. The Mets are 5-9 in his starts.

Lucas Giolito has an MLB-worst 7.09 ERA. The White Sox are 5-8 in his starts.
Do you provide any original thoughts, or just copy paste things to stir the pot?

DeGrom has a career win% of nearly .600 over 120 career starts.

Jose Quintana can only dream of that.

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