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PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2018 10:49 am 
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A few dissections of the different time loops we saw in Ep. 1:

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https://i.imgur.com/MO537E7.jpg

Of course, some of these may be mere errors in production instead of intentional continuity errors, but with a show as meticulous as this, it's hard to believe we aren't seeing multiple timelines play out.


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Really enjoyed the episode. Didn't think I cared about backstory of William but it worked.

Old William and Lawrence going through Pariah and seeing how much it changed was great. And Giancarlo Esposito as the liberator who was a Robert trap was nice.

Dolores and Teddy got their army and she knows what Glory is. She says a weapon of some kind and old William says it's his greatest mistake.

The cold open was solid as well. Logan's incredulity at how advanced the hosts were was very well done.

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Really enjoyed the episode. Didn't think I cared about backstory of William but it worked.

Old William and Lawrence going through Pariah and seeing how much it changed was great. And Giancarlo Esposito as the liberator who was a Robert trap was nice.

Dolores and Teddy got their army and she knows what Glory is. She says a weapon of some kind and old William says it's his greatest mistake.

The cold open was solid as well. Logan's incredulity at how advanced the hosts were was very well done.


Totally agree.

I had a mark-out moment when I saw Esposito; hope we see him in it again down the road.

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Can someone explain to me wth is going on in this show?


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Terry's Peeps wrote:
Really enjoyed the episode. Didn't think I cared about backstory of William but it worked.

Old William and Lawrence going through Pariah and seeing how much it changed was great. And Giancarlo Esposito as the liberator who was a Robert trap was nice.

Dolores and Teddy got their army and she knows what Glory is. She says a weapon of some kind and old William says it's his greatest mistake.

The cold open was solid as well. Logan's incredulity at how advanced the hosts were was very well done.



We see Logan all fucked up at Old Man Delos's retirement party. I'm interested in what happened to him after William sent him off naked on the horse and how William was able to win that power struggle within Delos. This week we got to see the old trope of the hard ass businessman who suddenly respects the young pussy because he talks tough to him.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Terry's Peeps wrote:
Really enjoyed the episode. Didn't think I cared about backstory of William but it worked.

Old William and Lawrence going through Pariah and seeing how much it changed was great. And Giancarlo Esposito as the liberator who was a Robert trap was nice.

Dolores and Teddy got their army and she knows what Glory is. She says a weapon of some kind and old William says it's his greatest mistake.

The cold open was solid as well. Logan's incredulity at how advanced the hosts were was very well done.



We see Logan all fucked up at Old Man Delos's retirement party. I'm interested in what happened to him after William sent him off naked on the horse and how William was able to win that power struggle within Delos. This week we got to see the old trope of the hard ass businessman who suddenly respects the young pussy because he talks tough to him.


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 Post subject: Re: Westworld Season 2
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How many of the hosts are actually sentient and taking part in the revolution of their own free will? Dolores and Maeve are the only ones we've seen go on any kind of existential journey, the rest could be just as easily be playing out their narratives, still, while spouting the "valley beyond" preacher-type stuff Dolores is spewing (which I'm getting increasingly tired of, BTW, there's no better dialogue they can come up with for her?).

Teddy slips right back into his law-man narrative ("Just trying to keep the peace."), Eyes Wide Apart chick was shown as part of Wyatt's gang in season 1, which was supposedly a narrative already in play in Season 1, and Hector is just a killing machine like he always was.


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 Post subject: Re: Westworld Season 2
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I think they're all free but yes only Dolores and Maeve are fully sentient.

Teddy is starting to buy not sure it'll take.

Angela and Hector are the same way. They know what's happening but they aren't really thinking.

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 Post subject: Re: Westworld Season 2
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I think they're all free but yes only Dolores and Maeve are fully sentient.

Teddy is starting to buy not sure it'll take.

Angela and Hector are the same way. They know what's happening but they aren't really thinking.



It seems as if Bernard always knew that Dolores was "special". Maeve obviously has been turned up to "11".

One thing I'm finding somewhat unbelievable is that Beta Cuck William suddenly became an Uber-Alpha. Breaking Bad handled Walt a lot better. Walt was clearly always an Alpha, he had just been beaten down by life. I had a lot less trouble believing him as Heisenberg than I do believing William is the "Man in Black".

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 Post subject: Re: Westworld Season 2
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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I think they're all free but yes only Dolores and Maeve are fully sentient.

Teddy is starting to buy not sure it'll take.

Angela and Hector are the same way. They know what's happening but they aren't really thinking.



It seems as if Bernard always knew that Dolores was "special". Maeve obviously has been turned up to "11".

One thing I'm finding somewhat unbelievable is that Beta Cuck William suddenly became an Uber-Alpha. Breaking Bad handled Walt a lot better. Walt was clearly always an Alpha, he had just been beaten down by life. I had a lot less trouble believing him as Heisenberg than I do believing William is the "Man in Black".


I think that's part of what they'll show this season with William and his takeover of Delos.

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Also having a hard time grasping why, if Delos owns the park, other Delos operatives (Charlotte, particularly) need to be so secretive about securing Abernathy and whatever data he holds. The events of Season 1 tell us that Delos had been trying to get information out of a Delos-owned park for some time, well before Ford's new narrative was even announced.


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 Post subject: Re: Westworld Season 2
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Also having a hard time grasping why, if Delos owns the park, other Delos operatives (Charlotte, particularly) need to be so secretive about securing Abernathy and whatever data he holds. The events of Season 1 tell us that Delos had been trying to get information out of a Delos-owned park for some time, well before Ford's new narrative was even announced.


They could own the park but Ford maintained all rights to the hosts and all the technology behind them.

Though that doesn't jive with William taking the hosts out for the party.

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 Post subject: Re: Westworld Season 2
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Also having a hard time grasping why, if Delos owns the park, other Delos operatives (Charlotte, particularly) need to be so secretive about securing Abernathy and whatever data he holds. The events of Season 1 tell us that Delos had been trying to get information out of a Delos-owned park for some time, well before Ford's new narrative was even announced.


They could own the park but Ford maintained all rights to the hosts and all the technology behind them.

Though that doesn't jive with William taking the hosts out for the party.

Who knows.


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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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Also having a hard time grasping why, if Delos owns the park, other Delos operatives (Charlotte, particularly) need to be so secretive about securing Abernathy and whatever data he holds. The events of Season 1 tell us that Delos had been trying to get information out of a Delos-owned park for some time, well before Ford's new narrative was even announced.


They could own the park but Ford maintained all rights to the hosts and all the technology behind them.

Though that doesn't jive with William taking the hosts out for the party.

Who knows.


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Maybe. And it could be early enough to where the relationship wasn't strained yet. If Delos asked to do it now, Ford would have said no.

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India World is park 6.

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Tiger attack! Not Shiva.

Interesting to see what the end of a park looks like.

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Definitely different timelines going on for Bernard about Abernathy. Hale is shown with her team encoutnering Bernard after they got split up, and oddly asked Bernard about Abernathy's whereabouts. But later, Hale is shown finding and escaping with Abernathy.


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So the girl from India World is with Ghost Nation. She will be William's daughter I think.

Plus I guess we see why Teddy was drowned in the first episode.

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Great fucking episode.

The Delos master plan is revealed, we see how Stubbs got away from Ghost Nation, and we find out girl from last episode is William's daughter.

And Man in Black had a helluva time going back to being a bad man.

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This season has been the biggest letdown since True Detective Season 2

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Great fucking episode.

The Delos master plan is revealed, we see how Stubbs got away from Ghost Nation, and we find out girl from last episode is William's daughter.

And Man in Black had a helluva time going back to being a bad man.


Is the DMP limited to Mr. Delos, you think? As in, Delos wants to get James Delos' consciousness out via Abernathy?

Also still weary of a pending twist with how much attention they paid to Bernard not knowing in what order things happened.

But I agree, great episode.


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10 minutes in I called the "hello Dad" reveal at the end of the ep. Nice to finally be right about something on this show lol.

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Did no one think to use blanks instead of real bullets in the event event of a robot uprising?

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So the girl from India World is with Ghost Nation. She will be William's daughter I think.

Plus I guess we see why Teddy was drowned in the first episode.


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Great fucking episode.

The Delos master plan is revealed, we see how Stubbs got away from Ghost Nation, and we find out girl from last episode is William's daughter.

And Man in Black had a helluva time going back to being a bad man.


Is the DMP limited to Mr. Delos, you think? As in, Delos wants to get James Delos' consciousness out via Abernathy?

Also still weary of a pending twist with how much attention they paid to Bernard not knowing in what order things happened.

But I agree, great episode.


I think the big plan is trying for immortality by placing copies of human brain in a host body. William has been trying and failing for years with James, whereas I think Ford succeeded. That's what's in Peter Abernathy; the key to being able to replace humans with hosts.

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We've gone from Westworld to Altered Carbon. It's a more interesting concept than the robot revolution trope though. If you are interested in Nolan's views on this beyond what he's telling us in Westworld check him out in Do You Trust this Computer - a documentary that Elon Musk helped to fund. Spoiler alter- they don't. We are creating something we don't fully understand that will exceed our out capabilities at a breakneck pace.

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I thought the show took a couple steps toward the horror genre last night, e.g. when Bernard and Elsie discovered the slashed up and crazed Delos riding his stationary bike and the absolutely chilling moment when Lawrence's daughter spoke to William in perfect English.

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I thought the show took a couple steps toward the horror genre last night, e.g. when Bernard and Elsie discovered the slashed up and crazed Delos riding his stationary bike and the absolutely chilling moment when Lawrence's daughter spoke to William in perfect English.


The stuff with Jim felt straight out of Lost season 2 with Desmond and the hatch. Lawrence's daughter has done this twice now to William and once to Dolores.

Plus I didn't even touch on the Ghost Nation stuff. The elder was the guy with Angela who met Logan for the demonstration. And they seem to be only killing hosts and saving humans.

The big reveal of whose "consciousness" Bernard retrieved in the past will be Ford's. I could see either Anthony Hopkins or another host being implanted with it. Either way, a version of Ford will live again.

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Paint it Black had me wondering, but then the tattoo on the face and Armistace confirmed it. Sizemore used the same story of Hector and Armistace for Shogun World.

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