The traveling gifs make me laugh. They also make we wonder the age old question. Why does the pro ref never really call traveling? I suppose the answer is entertainment value, pace of the game something something. How though can a very simple rule of the game just be ignored?

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That’s just not true. Not sure how else to respond.

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Traveling is still called a couple times a game on average. Not as much as it should be but the idea that it’s just ignored or very rarely called isn’t true.

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How is it not true? I can find a million videos of guys running down the court carrying the ball or palming it on the dribble. The cross-over dribble is just another name for palming. I'm sure Cousy would have been able to handle the ball better if he hadn't been required to dribble.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n34p7-wThcs

Is this carrying or dribbling?

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UpRZUazIurw

I mean, it's almost comical. I don't see how anyone could deny it.

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And I could find a greater number of videos of guys not palming the ball, this invalidating the claim that guys today carry every time down the court. Probably not a great use of time.

It’s ok though. I’m used to ignorant generalizations of the NBA. Your claim isn’t much different than the 18 year old who claims nobody in the 60’s could play today. It’s kust an assumption based on lack of knowledge.

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I’m not clicking on the link. I’m assuming you found an example of someone carrying the ball. Congrats.

Look at the first gif I posted in this thread. That’s an example of a killer crossover with no carrying. And it happens all the time.

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Don't then. Continue to pretend that Cousy was allowed to carry the ball just like Iverson and he simply wasn't good at it because of evolution or something.

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I’m sorry but it’s hard to take you seriously here. You proudly don’t like and don’t watch the modern nba. That’s all good but then it’s probably not a great idea to declare yourself an authority on it then.

How bout this? There’s a great game on tonight featuring the two top teams in the league. You post every time you see someone get away with carrying. I’ll post every time someone dribbles without carrying(probably gonna run into that “cannot post so soon after your last post” message a lot though).

We’ll see which number is higher.

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It's hard to take you seriously or maybe it's just that you're so used to it having seen it all your life that you don't really understand what carrying is. Like that "cross-over" GIF you're talking about. His first "dribble" with his right hand comes from under the ball. If Cousy had done that a whistle would have blown immediately.

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No it doesn’t. Are you blind? At no point in that gif does his palm go underneath the ball.

Maybe you’re confusing palm on the side of the call with under it. There’s nothing illegal about having your palm on the side of the ball. In fact, it’s essential to a crossover.

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NBA players today carry it constantly. Every “killer” crossover you see is some type of carry. Some people like that style, which is fine, but I don’t know how you can say it doesn’t happen, FF.

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Yeah. I'm not even sure why this is something that would be argued. There is an actual rule on traveling that you learn your whole life that is ignored constantly in NBA games.

Now, as long as everyone knows the rule is not called that way then it's fine I guess.

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It’s weird that you and jorr are going to extremes on this. I never said it didn’t happen. I’m saying it’s ridiculous and also patently false to say it happens every time down the court, or constantly.

Your second sentence is wrong and there are gifs in this very thread disproving it.

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It is illegal and I know it's essential to the illegal "cross-over", i.e. carry.

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It’s not illegal and it’s not carrying. That only comes into play if you’re palming the ball. Now that I know you don’t know the definition of carrying the rest of this thread makes more sense.

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Offer still open.

We can stop after the first quarter when I’m up like 80-4.

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The real rule is that your palm must be facing down as you dribble. I get that the NBA allows players to palm the ball now. I don't have a problem with that except as it relates to you saying silly stuff like guys who weren't allowed to do that were incapable of it had it been allowed.

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I never said he was incapable of a crossover. I said he didn’t/couldn’t drive left. That wasn’t illegal back then, despite how many other ways you try to spin it.

Nothing in this thread was as silly as you saying every possession has carrying/palming now. You couldn’t even correctly identify it in the Iguodala gif.

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You're just wrong. I get that you're an NBA fan. That's fine. But dribbling from the side of the basketball is carrying. The NBA can make whatever rules they want and you're free to love it. The point is, those rules weren't in place when guys in the 50s played.

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Again, you simply don’t know what carrying is. The ball needs to come to rest. Changing the direction of the ball from the side is not inherently carrying or palming. I can’t really be any more clear.

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What?

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Palming/carrying only comes in to play when the ball comes to rest and the dribble then continues. Changing the direction of the dribble is not a carry. This is why the palm can be on the side but not under the ball. There was no carrying in the gif.

There’s no question that players are allowed to/get away with more types of dribbling violations now. I’ve never argued otherwise. If you think it happens on the majority of plays(I’ll even forgive the every play qualifier) than you either don’t know what you’re watching for or you’re not watching. Most guys don’t dribble like Iverson and Isaiah Thomas.

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That's wrong. It may be the way the NBA calls it, but it's still a carry by the rules of basketball. And it happens a lot. Jordan did it all the time.

By your definition this isn't a carry:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n34p7-wThcs

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By my definition that is a carry. His palm slides underneath and the ball comes to rest momentarily. It’s like you’re responding to my posts without even reading them

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I am reading them. If that video were at normal speed it would be no different than the things you're saying are not carrying. You don't dribble with your hand on the side of the ball. That's a carry. I'm glad the NBA allows it. I'm sure it's exciting. But it's still carrying.

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If the ball comes to rest it’s a carry. I’ve been clear about that. That’s a carry regardless of what speed it happens at.

Yes, it’s tough to call in real time.

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