How does this embassy change that at all?

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

I want peace, but I have also come to the sad realization that the Palestinians clearly do not want any sort of peace that cements a permanent status for a Jewish state.

Israel has offered the Palestinians a state on countless occasions only for each offer to be rebuffed and answered by violence. At this point, the Palestinians are responsible for whatever fate may fall upon them. We have reached a point where the Saudis have literally told them to "accept what Israel has offered you or shut up"

http://www.businessinsider.com/saudi-cr ... ing-2018-4

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IMU is wrong here as well (he just loves to be wrong) as the embassy is within West Jerusalem. As per usual, he is clueless on basic geographical facts in the region.

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Agreed.

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"I don't know. What I do know is that Jews don't have a charter that demands Arabs be wiped off the face of the earth"

True but the Talmud says some pretty nasty things about the "goyim". For instance, "When a Jew has a Gentile in his clutches, another Jew may go to the same Gentile, lend him money and in turn deceive him, so that the Gentile shall be ruined. For the property of a Gentile, according to our law, belongs to no one, and the first Jew that passes has full right to seize it."

There isn't much doubt jews have a superiority complex. After all, they ARE God's chosen people.

If only it was that simple (kid throwing a rock at a tank). There are folks tunneling into Israel for smuggling and firing rockets into their territory. Make no mistake, there issues on both sides. Israel has always subscribed to using disproportionate force to discourage attacks.

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Islam is God’s final word and the solution to all problems as well. Haven’t you heard?

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Why are only 14 percent of black CPS 11th-graders proficient in English?

That's the consul general building, one which has been in use by the US for some time as the consulate. The actual embassy complex, which is being built, is entirely on the Israeli side of the green line. It is close to the green line, but is entirely on the side that has been universally recognized as Israeli since 1949's armistice. The consulate (which is once again, not the embassy) was purposely built on the green line as it was to also serve the Palestinians who needed access to it.

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It also seems to be a good thing for the United States to have an embassy in the future state of Palestine!

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Imagine if the G20 dealt with the black Bloc like this

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That summarizes it pretty well.

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Are you serious? The Embassy was literally opened in the Consulate building.

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The line Al Jazeera is using is not the division between East and West Jerusalem. That line actually set up a demilitarized zone, which was administered by Israel from 1949 on. The actual border for East Jerusalem, is several blocks east

No surprise Al Jazeera would try to paint a false picture here as none of that land was ever considered part of East Jerusalem. It's also worth noting that the US embassy complex being built is entirely on the Israeli side.

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Also worth noting about the 1949 map. I don't see a "Palestinian Jerusalem."

Why is that? There is a Jordanian Jerusalem. Where is Palestine?

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No matter what actual facts you state or legit questions you ask, Ogie will still be a cheerleader for whatever Israel wants and does.

What do you care about Jordanian versus Palestinian? They are just targets to you. And yes, the Embassy land exists on land that was East Jerusalem pre-1967 Six Day War.

The green line on the map...conveniently colored green as it is actually referred to as the Green Line, is the border between East and West Jerusalem. Before Israelis became illegal occupiers.

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We can't even figure out if the embassy is in East, West, or both....yeah we're close to solving the conflict.

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Anyone even a little bit educated in the conflict understands Ogie is attempting, and failing, to be "cute." He cannot call the land East Jerusalem or he'd be admitting it is occupied by Israel. Instead, he must claim it is part of Israel.

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According to the map, none of that land was part of East Jerusalem. Look at the actual demarcation lines, not the ones from Al Jazeera, which is really just Qatar's government run mouthpiece. Not one piece of that embassy is in land that was ever considered East Jerusalem. Some of it was considered part of a DMZ/buffer, but none of it was under Arab control.

Also, I'm asking you, where is Palestine? Arabs had sovereignty over Gaza and the West Bank after 1949's armistice. Where was the Palestinian state then.

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The one thing missing in this discussion from anyone taking the pro-Palestine stance here would be facts. It's almost as if the facts are not with that side.

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I just hope the Jews over there eventually get their Palestinian-free land area, so the Jews over here (and JoRR) can stop with the knee jerk defense mechanizing.

For the record I'm numb to Palestine suffering. Just want the Israeli cheerleading to cease.

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Just so we are clear on this, if in retaliation for the murder of their people the Palestinians go into the settlements in Gaza or the West Bank and start lighting up Jews you're cool with that right? I mean they are just defending their territory.

The Palestinian suffering will cease when they accept the fact that the Jews are not leaving and accept Israel's overtures for peace.

“Peace will come when the Arabs will love their children more than they hate us,” - Golda Meir

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I guess that would require the Palestinians having had sovereign territory in the 1st place. Now I ask the question, when has there been a sovereign Palestinian state? That land was Jordanian, but the Jordanians surrendered any desire to claim the land back.

Israel has offered the majority of that land to the Palestinians at various stages as well in exchange for peaceful recognition of Israel as a Jewish state, but the Palestinians have refused.

In light of those facts, I would say that no, the Palestinians have no justification as they have never held sovereignty over it, nor have they accepted it when offered at the peace table.

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Your last 2 replies have shown quite well that you are too far gone to have a reasonable discussion on this.

It's fairly obvious the Jews aren't leaving unless America full stops financial and military support. They would then be forcibly removed in a bloody gang bang.

It's also fairly obvious sniping 50 or 60 people for crossing a line is hard to justify.

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That's how it has worked for all of human history. If we want to let them play by the same rules then that would be fine.

Israel has already come to peace with many nations that attacked and tried to destroy them. Let them work it out and maybe one day they can be friends too.

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I knew you were going to make the "sovereign" play and you didn't fail to disappoint.


Can Brick step in and tell us how you believe that Palestinians "have no right to exist" now? I will settle for Jorr as well.

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Those are historical facts. There has never been a state called Palestine. It's about as real as Narnia.

Now they can have such a state, but doing so would require accepting a peace treaty, which is something they refuse to do

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