Tell me, when was there a Palestinian state with self rule by the people living there? If a Palestinian state was so important, why was one not declared in 1949 when Egypt and Jordan held sovereignty?

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At this point, US support is but a fraction of Israel's defense budget. Israel would be fine (and I have argued, actually better off) without US defense support.

The Jews aren't leaving, but at least you know acknowledge that making the Jews leave entirely is the goal of the Palestinians and the reason why they will not accept any peace deal. With that in mind, let them rot in the filth they have created for themselves. The solution to their misery is right there in front of them and they refuse to accept it because they hate the Jews more than they love their own children. Golda Meir was right.

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I never said that was the goal.

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Since it doesn't exist, and has never existed, I don't think a Palestinian state has a "right to exist" just like I don't think Brickestine has a "right to exist".

Now, it should exist but it shouldn't be earned the way that they are going about it.

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There had never been a state called Israel until 70 years ago either.
I also think the Brits might disagree with you on the "no such place as Palestine" thing. Actually the US agreed with the Brits at that time as well.

You literally said:

"It's fairly obvious the Jews aren't leaving unless America full stops financial and military support. They would then be forcibly removed in a bloody gang bang. "


Now the Palestinians would love to try that, but of course they would fail miserably. They tried it in 1948, 1967, 1973, etc.

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"Palestinian" is a political term that was never used the way it currently is prior to 1967. Arabs have a right to exist. And they control many countries. But if your end game is the destruction of Jews, then maintaining a permanent class of "refugees" across multiple generations to be used as a club against Israel is a great strategy.

It's Israel that desperately needs a two-state solution that Arabs refuse to accept. Once again, if the destruction of Jews is your end game, why would you accept such a solution? All you have to do is wait and win the propaganda war, which obviously they are doing. And the Jews will eventually- they aren't now- have to actually preside over an apartheid state or abandon the idea of a Jewish state. Neither option is a good one.

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That's simply incorrect.

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Maybe Ogie thinks they should just flood the area with Arabs and then claim it's theirs. You know, kinda how the Jews got started with it.

There had been Jewish sovereignty over the land at various points in history. It was never under Palestinian control. At various times it had been under the Caliphate control, Ottoman control, and then British control, but never as a sovereign state ruled by the Arabs living there.

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Well the League of Nations disagrees with you, but like with all things Israel, I doubt you care about anything factual.

Jews had a continuous presence in the land for over 2,500 years.

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Really, who was contolling/governing the land then? It certainly wasn't the Arabs.

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And when it was under all those various types of control, what was the region called?

No silly guy. A bloody gang bang meaning surrounding countries would remove Israel from the map.

Wasn't referencing Palestine at all. They aren't the boogeyman. They pose no real threat. Contrary to Israeli propaganda reporting.

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Ok so let's bring the Brits back in. The region of PALESTINE was under British rule, and in the 20's started being flooded with Jews.

Well the land was originally called Judea (why do you think we are called Jews?)

The Romans renamed it when they tried to stamp out the Jewish connection to the land. Regardless, at no point was there ever an independent nation with sovereignty called Palestine. At every point in its history since the Kingdom of Judea was absorbed by the Romans, it was under the control of a distant empire and never sovereign.

I can safely say there has never at any point been an independent nation called Palestine. Nor has there every been a nation in the land under self rule of the Arabs living there.

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Where was the United States in 1768? Where was the Czech Republic in 1988?

What year did you decide as the expiration date for founding a sovereign state?

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The League of Nations? It hasn't existed since WWII. But I'm pretty sure Israel existed as far back as the 10th Century BC. Maybe JBIlls can Wiki that for you.

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Jews had already lived there for centuries uninterrupted. other Jews just joined them.

Tell me, who was the ruler of this region called "Palestine" it sure wasn't the "Palestinians"

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Is said hypothetical state offering any economic incentives for people to move there? Say like four child tax credits for couples with only three children?

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There wasn't a country there though. That'a a major distinction.

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Would we have to cheer for a Vegas knights?

Whether you like it or not, up until the end of the British Mandate the area was referred to as Palestine.

The Palestinians could have founded a state in 1947 when partition was granted. They refused.
The Palestinians could have founded a state in 1949 after the armistice. They decided an independent state wasn't important.
The Palestinians could have founded a state in 1967 after Israel offered back the captured lands for peace and recognition. The offers were refused
The Palestinians could have founded a state in 1973 at Geneva, after Israel offered back the captured lands for peace and recognition. The offers were refused.
The Palestinians could have founded a state in 1994 after Oslo. They broke the agreement and chose to pursue violence via Hamas and Fatah
The Palestinians could have founded a state in 2000 at Camp David. They refused and started the intifada
The Palestinians could have founded a state in 2001 at Tab. They refused and continued the intifada
The Palestinians could have founded a state in 2004 after the roadmap was presented. They refused
The Palestinians could have founded a state in 2007 at Annapolis. They refused
The Palestinians could have founded a state in 2008 when the Olmert plan was drafted. They refused
The Palestinians could have founded a state in 2013 when Bibi made his offer. They refused


Notice a pattern here...

"The Arabs never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity." - Abba Eban

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yet the name is meaningless as there never was a Palestinian state and the way things are going, there probably won't be one

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Since Israel has such a real good track record of not indiscriminately murdering people I'm sure all those snipe kills were 100% justifiable.

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It looks like we are about to get a country called New England!

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I guess you've given up any pretense of not being biased?

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Texans have more of a historical claim to a country than Palestinians as there has actually been an independent sovereign nation called Texas.

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