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IMU

Post subject: Re: Will this killing of Arabs be what makes us turn on Isra

Posted: Tue May 15, 2018 12:08 pm

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Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:

IMU wrote:

Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:

Where was the Palestinian state then.

Where was the United States in 1768? Where was the Czech Republic in 1988?

What year did you decide as the expiration date for founding a sovereign state?

The Palestinians could have founded a state in 1947 when partition was granted. They refused.
The Palestinians could have founded a state in 1949 after the armistice. They decided an independent state wasn't important.
The Palestinians could have founded a state in 1967 after Israel offered back the captured lands for peace and recognition. The offers were refused
The Palestinians could have founded a state in 1973 at Geneva, after Israel offered back the captured lands for peace and recognition. The offers were refused.
The Palestinians could have founded a state in 1994 after Oslo. They broke the agreement and chose to pursue violence via Hamas and Fatah
The Palestinians could have founded a state in 2000 at Camp David. They refused and started the intifada
The Palestinians could have founded a state in 2001 at Tab. They refused and continued the intifada
The Palestinians could have founded a state in 2004 after the roadmap was presented. They refused
The Palestinians could have founded a state in 2007 at Annapolis. They refused
The Palestinians could have founded a state in 2008 when the Olmert plan was drafted. They refused
The Palestinians could have founded a state in 2013 when Bibi made his offer. They refused

Notice a pattern here...

"The Arabs never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity." - Abba Eban

https://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/29/worl ... -Says.html

And so now why does Israel refuse to negotiate faithfully, or offer the same deal? Because Netanyahu and the Likud have found that they like their eternal hall pass and enjoy committing atrocities against a people that have previously committed atrocities toward them.

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Jbi11s

Post subject: Re: Will this killing of Arabs be what makes us turn on Isra

Posted: Tue May 15, 2018 12:08 pm

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Brick is on team genocide.

The fall from grace continues.

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Ogie Oglethorpe

Post subject: Re: Will this killing of Arabs be what makes us turn on Isra

Posted: Tue May 15, 2018 12:09 pm

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IMU wrote:

Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:

IMU wrote:

Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:

Where was the Palestinian state then.

Where was the United States in 1768? Where was the Czech Republic in 1988?

What year did you decide as the expiration date for founding a sovereign state?

https://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/29/worl ... -Says.html

Nice he saw the error there... What about the other times? He was in office for 3 of those.

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Ogie Oglethorpe

Post subject: Re: Will this killing of Arabs be what makes us turn on Isra

Posted: Tue May 15, 2018 12:10 pm

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Jbi11s wrote:

Brick is on team genocide.

The fall from grace continues.

It's some genocide when the Palestinian population has grown about 5x since Israel's founding.

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Brick

Post subject: Re: Will this killing of Arabs be what makes us turn on Isra

Posted: Tue May 15, 2018 12:10 pm

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Jbi11s wrote:

Brick is on team genocide.

The fall from grace continues.

I'm on the side that thinks Israel has a right to exist, and on the opposite side of anyone who thinks Israel doesn't have a right to exist. I can live with that.

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long time guy

Post subject: Re: Will this killing of Arabs be what makes us turn on Isra

Posted: Tue May 15, 2018 12:10 pm

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If there was going to be a state established in 1948 that state should have gone to the Arabs. No amount of spinning is going to change that. They constituted the overwhelming majority of inhabitants prior the issuance of the Mandate and the guy that first conceived the Zionist movement didn't really believe that Israel should be placed there either. SO much for Historical Homeland.

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IMU

Post subject: Re: Will this killing of Arabs be what makes us turn on Isra

Posted: Tue May 15, 2018 12:10 pm

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Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:

Nice he saw the error there... What about the other times? He was in office for 3 of those.

Those offers were not a fair two state solution.

edit: And then LTG has to go look like a fool. Fucking LTG...

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Baby McNown

Post subject: Re: Will this killing of Arabs be what makes us turn on Isra

Posted: Tue May 15, 2018 12:11 pm

Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:

Baby McNown wrote:

Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:

Baby McNown wrote:

There had never been a state called Israel until 70 years ago either.

That's simply incorrect.

Well the League of Nations disagrees with you, but like with all things Israel, I doubt you care about anything factual.

The League of Nations? :lol:

It hasn't existed since WWII. But I'm pretty sure Israel existed as far back as the 10th Century BC. Maybe JBIlls can Wiki that for you.

Well the nation of Israel has only existed since 1948, but thanks for your input.

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Jbi11s

Post subject: Re: Will this killing of Arabs be what makes us turn on Isra

Posted: Tue May 15, 2018 12:11 pm

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:

Jbi11s wrote:

Since Israel has such a real good track record of not indiscriminately murdering people I'm sure all those snipe kills were 100% justifiable.

I guess you've given up any pretense of not being biased?

The victim could be anyone, and I would still not be a fan of the methods of the oppressor.

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denisdman

Post subject: Re: Will this killing of Arabs be what makes us turn on Isra

Posted: Tue May 15, 2018 12:11 pm

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Drunk Squirrel wrote:

denisdman wrote:

Boilermaker Rick wrote:

...just like I don't think Brickestine has a "right to exist".

Is said hypothetical state offering any economic incentives for people to move there? Say like four child tax credits for couples with only three children?

Would we have to cheer for a Vegas knights?

I can't imagine Brickestine being that authoritarian. Maybe just a ban on jerseys that have offensive logos.

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Ogie Oglethorpe

Post subject: Re: Will this killing of Arabs be what makes us turn on Isra

Posted: Tue May 15, 2018 12:13 pm

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long time guy wrote:

Oh look, here is back to calling Israel illegitimate... and he wonders why half this board calls him an antisemite.

I guess the truth comes out when he's angry.

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long time guy

Post subject: Re: Will this killing of Arabs be what makes us turn on Isra

Posted: Tue May 15, 2018 12:13 pm

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Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:

IMU wrote:

Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:

IMU wrote:

Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:

Where was the Palestinian state then.

Where was the United States in 1768? Where was the Czech Republic in 1988?

What year did you decide as the expiration date for founding a sovereign state?

https://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/29/worl ... -Says.html

Nice he saw the error there... What about the other times? He was in office for 3 of those.

Also the Palestinians didn't accept the terms and conditions set forth in 1948. It is disingenuous to keep suggesting that they didn't wish to found a state. The terms and conditions set forth provided them about 40% of the land even as they still comprised a majority of the population.

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Brick

Post subject: Re: Will this killing of Arabs be what makes us turn on Isra

Posted: Tue May 15, 2018 12:13 pm

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IMU wrote:

edit: And then LTG has to go look like a fool. Fucking LTG...

Yeah. It's always interesting reading between the lines on his thoughts.

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Ogie Oglethorpe

Post subject: Re: Will this killing of Arabs be what makes us turn on Isra

Posted: Tue May 15, 2018 12:14 pm

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IMU wrote:

Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:

Nice he saw the error there... What about the other times? He was in office for 3 of those.

Those offers were not a fair two state solution.

edit: And then LTG has to go look like a fool. Fucking LTG...

Yet the Palestinians didn't even offer a counter proposal. they simply left the negotiating table, as they had done with all previous offers.

As I've said, the Palestinians have agency here and at the end of the day they are 100% responsible for their present situation. The solutions have been offered and refused countless times.

...and yes we are in agreement on LTG. :lol:

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Jbi11s

Post subject: Re: Will this killing of Arabs be what makes us turn on Isra

Posted: Tue May 15, 2018 12:14 pm

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Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:

Jbi11s wrote:

Brick is on team genocide.

The fall from grace continues.

It's some genocide when the Palestinian population has grown about 5x since Israel's founding.

Sounds like you guys got a long way to go then.

Maybe you should head on over to help out. That's not really your thing tho. Your better at the mouthpiece part.

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Baby McNown

Post subject: Re: Will this killing of Arabs be what makes us turn on Isra

Posted: Tue May 15, 2018 12:15 pm

Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:

"The Arabs never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity." - Abba Eban

Quoiting the Israeli Foreign Minister during the 6 Day War probably isn't the best choice in terms of people looking for a compromise.

Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:

Notice a pattern here....

This shouldn't need to be said, but yeah. We are. Any historical fact or action that goes against "YAY ISRAEL" will be met with excuses by you.

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Ogie Oglethorpe

Post subject: Re: Will this killing of Arabs be what makes us turn on Isra

Posted: Tue May 15, 2018 12:15 pm

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Jbi11s wrote:

Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:

Jbi11s wrote:

Brick is on team genocide.

The fall from grace continues.

It's some genocide when the Palestinian population has grown about 5x since Israel's founding.

Sounds like you guys got a long way to go then.

Maybe you should head on over to help out. That's not really your thing tho. Your better at the mouthpiece part.

way to completely miss the point, but then again you've been doing that this entire thread.

I'd love to know how you are committing genocide when the supposed victims are experiencing a population boom. We must really suck at this genocide thing...

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JORR

Post subject: Re: Will this killing of Arabs be what makes us turn on Isra

Posted: Tue May 15, 2018 12:16 pm

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Jbi11s wrote:

Boilermaker Rick wrote:

Jbi11s wrote:

Since Israel has such a real good track record of not indiscriminately murdering people I'm sure all those snipe kills were 100% justifiable.

I guess you've given up any pretense of not being biased?

The victim could be anyone, and I would still not be a fan of the methods of the oppressor.

I think this is the crux of any argument on this subject. The idea that it's the Jews who are the oppressors.

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Ogie Oglethorpe

Post subject: Re: Will this killing of Arabs be what makes us turn on Isra

Posted: Tue May 15, 2018 12:16 pm

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Baby McNown wrote:

Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:

"The Arabs never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity." - Abba Eban

Quoiting the Israeli Foreign Minister during the 6 Day War probably isn't the best choice in terms of people looking for a compromise.

Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:

Notice a pattern here....

This shouldn't need to be said, but yeah. We are. Any historical fact or action that goes against "YAY ISRAEL" will be met with excuses by you.

You mean the war that started when Egypt blockaded the Red Sea and kicked out UN peacekeepers so that they could prepare to invade Israel only for Israel to preempt their plans rather than face annihilation?

Get fucked

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Jbi11s

Post subject: Re: Will this killing of Arabs be what makes us turn on Isra

Posted: Tue May 15, 2018 12:17 pm

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:

Jbi11s wrote:

Boilermaker Rick wrote:

Jbi11s wrote:

Since Israel has such a real good track record of not indiscriminately murdering people I'm sure all those snipe kills were 100% justifiable.

I guess you've given up any pretense of not being biased?

The victim could be anyone, and I would still not be a fan of the methods of the oppressor.

I think this is the crux of any argument on this subject. The idea that it's the Jews who are the oppressors.

The media oppresses me every day.

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long time guy

Post subject: Re: Will this killing of Arabs be what makes us turn on Isra

Posted: Tue May 15, 2018 12:18 pm

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Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:

long time guy wrote:

Oh look, here is back to calling Israel illegitimate... and he wonders why half this board calls him an antisemite.

I guess the truth comes out when he's angry.

Here we go again. If again what has come out in all of this is your hatred of Arabs. You openly advocate for their deaths yet you talk to someone about being Anti Semitic. I'd make the same argument regarding any such country set up under dubious conditions. Prior to the issuing of the Mandate Jewish people made up about 10% of the population. After the Mandate ostensibly when it became apparent that this particular parcel of land would be used to create a Jewish state the population of the region increased.

You for some reason don't have a problem with any of it. Not surprising though. You hate Arabs. Absolutely hate them and you aren't alone either. It is interesting that those that continuously profess a hatred for Arabs are the ones that chiefly play the Anti Semitic card as well. You don't think even Stevie Wonder could see through that line of B.S?.

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Jbi11s

Post subject: Re: Will this killing of Arabs be what makes us turn on Isra

Posted: Tue May 15, 2018 12:19 pm

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Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:

Jbi11s wrote:

Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:

Jbi11s wrote:

Brick is on team genocide.

The fall from grace continues.

It's some genocide when the Palestinian population has grown about 5x since Israel's founding.

Sounds like you guys got a long way to go then.

Maybe you should head on over to help out. That's not really your thing tho. Your better at the mouthpiece part.

Because Muslims fuck like rabbits.

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Baby McNown

Post subject: Re: Will this killing of Arabs be what makes us turn on Isra

Posted: Tue May 15, 2018 12:19 pm

Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:

Get fucked

I don't have any issues with that, thanks.
And your continuous claims that the Jews are oppressed the day after they lit up dosens of Arabs for daring to protest are pretty silly at this point.

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Ogie Oglethorpe

Post subject: Re: Will this killing of Arabs be what makes us turn on Isra

Posted: Tue May 15, 2018 12:20 pm

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long time guy wrote:

Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:

long time guy wrote:

Oh look, here is back to calling Israel illegitimate... and he wonders why half this board calls him an antisemite.

I guess the truth comes out when he's angry.

I don't advocate their deaths, I advocate them accepting a peace deal so that the Jews in Israel can live without fear. Unfortunately the Arabs just don't want to accept that.

You continue to deny the Jewish people the right to self determination in their own homeland, but that is totally not antisemitic... Get fucked LTG

Even IMU is embarrassed for your contributions to this thread.

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Post subject: Re: Will this killing of Arabs be what makes us turn on Isra

Posted: Tue May 15, 2018 12:21 pm

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:

Jbi11s wrote:

Brick is on team genocide.

The fall from grace continues.

I'm on the side that thinks Israel has a right to exist, and on the opposite side of anyone who thinks Israel doesn't have a right to exist. I can live with that.

We are on the same side then.

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Ogie Oglethorpe

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Baby McNown wrote:

Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:

Get fucked

I don't have any issues with that, thanks.
And your continuous claims that the Jews are oppressed the day after they lit up dosens of Arabs for daring to protest are pretty silly at this point.

Their right to a state is being threatened daily. What do you think the goal of Hamas was yesterday?

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Baby McNown

Post subject: Re: Will this killing of Arabs be what makes us turn on Isra

Posted: Tue May 15, 2018 12:23 pm

Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:

Baby McNown wrote:

Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:

Get fucked

I don't have any issues with that, thanks.
And your continuous claims that the Jews are oppressed the day after they lit up dosens of Arabs for daring to protest are pretty silly at this point.

Their right to a state is being threatened daily. What do you think the goal of Hamas was yesterday?

What do you think the goal of the IDF was yesterday?

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Jbi11s

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Posted: Tue May 15, 2018 12:23 pm

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Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:

Baby McNown wrote:

Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:

Get fucked

I don't have any issues with that, thanks.
And your continuous claims that the Jews are oppressed the day after they lit up dosens of Arabs for daring to protest are pretty silly at this point.

Their right to a state is being threatened daily. What do you think the goal of Hamas was yesterday?

So everyone shot was deserving? There isn't the slightest chance someone was shot that prolly shouldn't have been shot?

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long time guy

Post subject: Re: Will this killing of Arabs be what makes us turn on Isra

Posted: Tue May 15, 2018 12:25 pm

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:

IMU wrote:

edit: And then LTG has to go look like a fool. Fucking LTG...

Yeah. It's always interesting reading between the lines on his thoughts.

No it isn't. My thoughts have always been clear for those able to comprehend and I'd be quite comfortable making them in an academic setting also. To suggest that Palestinians have more of an entitlement Pre 1948 isn't Anti Semitic. It doesn't mean that I advocate for the destruction of Israel either. It just means that there is a problem with how Israel was created. It is no different with having a problem with how America was founded and the group that was marginalized in order for it to be created. Same rules apply.

What I find ironic in all of the talk regarding Anti Semitism and death and destruction is that the only group being destroyed are Arabs. When you get past all of the grandstanding, propaganda, and fabricating the group being annihilated and marginalized are the Arabs. IN the overwhelming number of instances they are the ones suffering casualties.

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Ogie Oglethorpe

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Baby McNown wrote:

Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:

Baby McNown wrote:

Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:

Get fucked

I don't have any issues with that, thanks.
And your continuous claims that the Jews are oppressed the day after they lit up dosens of Arabs for daring to protest are pretty silly at this point.

Their right to a state is being threatened daily. What do you think the goal of Hamas was yesterday?

What do you think the goal of the IDF was yesterday?

to prevent a breach of the border, as a breach would have opened up a chance for tens of thousands of Palestinians to rush in with ill intent

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