Well the area where they were shot is land that was designated by Oslo as a no-go zone for the Palestinians and as a security buffer for Israel. It was granted specifically so that Israel could have a defensible border

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“When I walked in this morning, and saw the flag was at half mast, I thought 'alright another bureaucrat ate it.'" - Ron Swanson

There isn't the slightest chance someone was shot that prolly shouldn't have been shot?

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No you aren't. Hamas is currently in control of "Palestine" and organized this protest. They actively and proudly think that Israel has no right to exist.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

No man I'm with you.

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Entering a close military zone with intent to cause harm probably means you're going to get shot.

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“When I walked in this morning, and saw the flag was at half mast, I thought 'alright another bureaucrat ate it.'" - Ron Swanson

"You've just won the Internet. Where would you like to go?"

"Brickistine!"

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Hawaii (fuck) You

IMU embarrasses himself on a daily basis and is quite comfortable with it. Has nothing to do with me.

You stated that you are ok with whatever "falls" on them because they haven't accepted an Israeli dictated agreement. That includes death.

You also demonstrated your biases and hatred when you failed to acknowledge their basic rights in occupied territories as well. They have a right to be killed if they step foot in Israel but the same rules don't apply to them in the occupied territories. Essentially they don't have any rights as citizens or human beings anywhere according to you.

Viewing it from the perspective of Palestinians (which you never do) isn't Anti Semitic. I have never suggested that Israel should be destroyed. Having issue with its creation is another matter altogether. The reason that Palestinians are fighting is tied to 1948. That is where the energy in this battle lay.

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So everyone shot yesterday should have been shot?

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The land of 1,000 passive aggressive arguments!!!

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If you refuse peace offers and instead decide to make war vs. an enemy which routinely defeats you, then yes you have made your own decision and the consequences fall upon you. The Palestinians have agency here and could end their suffering if they put down their weapons and accepted Israel's right to exist. If they cannot get past that, then they will continue to suffer and I really won't give them any sympathy as they made their choice.

As for your antisemitism, I think you make it pretty clear to most of us reading your posts.

Both the Jews and the Palestinians have a right to self determination. The Jews have done their part to achieve that. Now it is up to the Palestinians to do the same, but they will have to accept the Jews for it to work.

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“When I walked in this morning, and saw the flag was at half mast, I thought 'alright another bureaucrat ate it.'" - Ron Swanson

Why bring it up though? Having more people in an area doesn't guarantee you the right to create a country when you have chosen not to for thousands of years. It's just a way to delegitimize the country of Israel. Jews have lived there just as long and left for the same reasons they returned. A stronger military paved the way for population shifts.

Sounds like a group that should be looking for peace rather than violently protesting an embassy.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

It isn't Anti Semitic to suggest that a group comprising 80%-90% of the land in a territory that they'd occupied for centuries is entitled to the land. That is common sense frankly.

I really don't care what message board consensus or intelligentsia thinks either. It is funny how they have no problem with playing "aha" games when it comes to criticism of Israel yet sit on their damn hands whenever someone makes racist statements on here. Bite with that Bullshit. They are hardly credible on any of this.

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How do you know that they haven't tried? Because Ogie says so? They attempted to establish their own country in the early 1900's and were denied. They also have been part of numerous empires throughout history. I brought it up because it is very much relevant. Countries are often established based upon the dominant population of said country. It is rare that a minority group gets to determine the establishment of countries. It doesn't make one Anti Semitic to simply point this out.


Jews were 10% of the area's population during the 1920's and their increase occurred as a result of the Balfour Declaration. YOU can find a direct cause and effect if you ever bothered to look.

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Ogie, Brick, JoRR..... Somebody please answer me.

Was everyone who was shot yesterday a deserving target?

Is there a chance a mistake or two or 20 was made?

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We're about *this* close to LTG telling the Jews to go back to Poland and the camps.

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“When I walked in this morning, and saw the flag was at half mast, I thought 'alright another bureaucrat ate it.'" - Ron Swanson

I wasn't there so is there a chance? yes

However it was pretty clear that Hamas organized the event to force Israeli troops to open fire. the IDF had no choice as their tasking was to protect the Israeli border at all costs and ensure that no breakthroughs which could threaten communities such as Nahal Oz would occur. At the end of the day, Hamas holds responsibility for what happens as had they not organized the attempted breaches, not a single person would have been harmed yesterday.

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“When I walked in this morning, and saw the flag was at half mast, I thought 'alright another bureaucrat ate it.'" - Ron Swanson

Rationalizing child murder? Thank you.

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No I have no issue with Jewish people but nice deflection though. The Israeli state is a political entity and when you attempt to make it infallible as you, Jorr, and the Bricks of the world increasingly do that is how you get incidents like yesterday. Nothing that Israel does bothers you because all you have to do is yell "defense" and somehow it is justified.

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Perhaps Hamas should not use human shields. Israel did not put youth in the middle of a battlefield. Hamas did that.

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“When I walked in this morning, and saw the flag was at half mast, I thought 'alright another bureaucrat ate it.'" - Ron Swanson

True, but there is probably a final solution that hasn't yet been considered.

Don Tiny must have been sleeping on that one.

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Rick Hahn is the best GM in baseball.

Double down rationalization? Thanks again.

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LTG - you can have the opinion that a home for the Jews should have been founded some place else. Maybe you wouldn't even be wrong. But we're way past that. A two state solution is the only solution. Peaceful coexistence.

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Rick Hahn is the best GM in baseball.

I don't really know what that means- "a deserving target". It's like William Munny said, "Deserve's got nothing to do with it." Human beings create complex situations. Sometimes we kill each other. Do I think there's immorality on both sides? Sure. But the immorality is in no way equivalent. Israel's reason for being isn't the goal of wiping another people off the map. If you're going to defend the Arabs in this situation, that pesky fact is going to be difficult for you to deal with.

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Freedom is our Strength.

I'm pretty sure that one was tried back in the late 30s.

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Freedom is our Strength.

Arabs, Shmarabs. I just want to know the level of rationalizing the events yesterday I'm dealing with.

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Can't let that one slip by.

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Elections have consequences.

They didn't establish their own country. That's the point. No country existed there.

And no, countries are determined based on military strength. There are actually Muslim countries that exist right now that have a minority of people who control the country.


I don't care why Jews moved to the area. They found land that wasn't a country and created a state there along with help from others. They have it now and deserve it. Palestine can work towards the same thing.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

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Rick Hahn is the best GM in baseball.

This thread has it all.

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