Yes. Both those statements deserved the derision they got. No one seriously believes that Israel is going away. Not anymore. They did at one time but that's over. Nor does anyone want it to anymore. It's great to have them to prop up as the source of all the bad things. So CH posting his stupid quote as if it has any real meaning today is asinine. Your thought that there could be a justifiable reason to shoot an unarmed protester was not much better. You disagree. Fine.





If you truly believe that, I can't help you. I think a person justifying shooting unarmed people and doctors is probably the most extreme, but to each his own.



Yes.



Being more cautious is understandable.



Thank you. That's a step in the right direction.




Great! I think we're getting closer.



We were so close. What does "turn on Israel" mean? Is saying they were wrong and could've handled the situation better mean you are "turning on Israel?



Reasonable. Though I think you overstate the number of people who seriously seek that.



Okay



What would Israel have to do for you to criticize Israel or say they were wrong?



You must have confused me with bills. I didn't mention the numbers of casualties once.



Hopefully that day comes.

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Hamas is responsible for everything that happened on Monday. They set it up, they got the people there, and they initiated the violence. If you were a civilian and got yourself caught up in it, then that's your fault. Everyone in Gaza knows what Hamas is. Tough fucking shit.

The only group here viewing the Gazans as subhuman would be Hamas, which sees them as nothing other than cannon fodder.

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“When I walked in this morning, and saw the flag was at half mast, I thought 'alright another bureaucrat ate it.'" - Ron Swanson

This is what I mean Rick.

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Dropping tear gas on the press? Hamas' fault?

It's like speaking to the Israeli press secretary here.

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Hamas were the ones lighting up people? How did I miss that bit of news?

Funny how you ignore Hamas and Islamic Jihad's own statements which tell us 53 of the dead were terrorists.

Tear gas was used throughout the area as dispersal measures in a closed military zone. None of this happens without Hamas initiating it

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“When I walked in this morning, and saw the flag was at half mast, I thought 'alright another bureaucrat ate it.'" - Ron Swanson

That honestly sounds like a fucking child.

They started it so I smacked them with a baseball bat upside the head.

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Hamas sent their people there to invade a sovereign country and said sovereign country defended itself and took out dozens of terrorists. I call that a win.

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“When I walked in this morning, and saw the flag was at half mast, I thought 'alright another bureaucrat ate it.'" - Ron Swanson

So Israel should've waited until the members of an organization which calls for the killing of every Jew did just that before responding? Sorry, we're not in the game of taking casualties before defending ourselves. We've done that in the past and it didn't work out well.

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“When I walked in this morning, and saw the flag was at half mast, I thought 'alright another bureaucrat ate it.'" - Ron Swanson

I think that you left out a few other groups who do that.

The government of Iran and Hezbollah come to mind quickly. The Palestinians have been used for years by too MANY who don't give a scintilla of a shit about them except for how they can fuck with Israel.

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The press area was a cleared military zone? My god. Were you dropped on your head as a child?

This is true too.

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Seriously. Next time they should bring AK's and tanks and rockets instead of rocks. When the IDF opens fire like it's NYE in Englewood, fire back. When BiBi and his sycophants cry about it, fuck you. We were defending ourselves.

I'm sure Ogie and JORR would be fully supportive of people defending themselves.

The area within 500 meters of the fence is such a zone as designated by Oslo. The Palestinians agreed to this arrangement so yes it's a closed military zone.

Perhaps you should know the facts before making a complete ass of yourself.

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He's doing a bit.

He's actually a Nobel Laureate.

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the media is doing good work for hamas here.

This is anecdotal, but I was in Manhattan around the time of some sort of big anti-Israel protest. This was being chanted pretty often for the few minutes we were near it. I thought it was pretty remarkable that this was happening in one of the global cities by huge amounts of people. This wasn't in Palestine where many are brainwashed into that thinking. These were the same people with the same access to information that I am and they were proudly chanting something that literally means "Destroy Israel". You discounting it like it's just some small little phrase that no one actually says doesn't fit with what I witnessed completely randomly. I doubt that was the only place it happened either.

You can't keep jumping back and forth here. You went after me for simply saying that it could be justified to shoot unarmed protesters based on what they were ultimately doing. Falling back to "could've handled the situation better" doesn't fly given many of your other posts in here. I think everyone agrees they could have handled it better.


I've said they are wrong before. Even Ogie has said they were wrong on things.

Ultimately, it's going to be hard for me to ever side with anyone who is actively and proudly seeking the destruction of Israel especially in a case like this which is now pretty clearly a Hamas sponsored attempt to do "something".

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

So there was a designated area for the press, but since they put that designated area withing the 500 meters it's ok that the press got gassed. LOL. Wow you are a fucking moron. If actual Israelis are like you no wonder the PLO keeps telling them to get fucked.

This has been answered a few times but yes that would be fine. Drop the arbitrary rules and give Palestine the chance to achieve their ultimate goal of wiping Israel off the map and then let it be decided for good.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

Israel didn't designate the press area, Hamas officials in Gaza more or less told them where to go as Israel has no boots on the ground or people on that side of the fence. The press should be less trusting of Hamas.

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“When I walked in this morning, and saw the flag was at half mast, I thought 'alright another bureaucrat ate it.'" - Ron Swanson

Who would do that? Hamas? The Palestinians? Nah. Hamas prefers to sit back behind non combatants and lob rockets into Israel and pay Palestinians to try and kidnap Israeli women and children to use for ransom purposes. Hamas is a rat pack in need of an extermination.

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An Ode to the Texas man who shot an Antifa terrorist:

Oh, he might have went on livin'
But he made one fatal slip
When he tried to match the Ranger
With the big iron on his hip

This would make more sense if you just posted under your actual name.

And if Hamas just likes to sit back and lob rockets, then there was no threat when the IDF decided this was Fallujah was there?

So they openly gassed people in a press area who were not on their side of the fence. Glad you can admit some actual facts in this.

Yeah, we just disagree on this issue. Poor analogy aside, I just don't see this large contingent of anti-Semitic people (consciously or subconsciously) walking around in America today. You seem to see it everywhere. I'm sure some of it has to do with the fact that you grew up in Skokie, but we both live in the same state in the same country... and it seems like we're living in two different worlds. I maintain that most people couldn't even pick out a Jewish person in a crowd.

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Closed military zone during active operations, one which even the Palestinians agreed to since 1994. The press should've stayed further back and not trusted Hamas. Also, it's just tear gas. Israel used non-lethal means where appropriate and turned to lethal means where needed (those directly working to break through the border)

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“When I walked in this morning, and saw the flag was at half mast, I thought 'alright another bureaucrat ate it.'" - Ron Swanson

The Democratic Socialists of America, at their last national convention, took time to chant "from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free" after voting to endorse BDS policies, BDS being a way to wage economic war on Israel. I'm not unearthing some ancient text here. The desire for Palestine to eliminate Israel is very much alive. I guess what you're arguing here is something like "aw shucks, they don't mean it, it's just catchy! it rhymes! it has a good beat and you can dance to it!" I would argue that the dream of an annihilated Israel is what guides the Arabs who wish to return to "their traditional homeland." Do you think they yearn to be Israelis?

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Any chance you are going to give your approval for the PLO to bring weapons next time and defend themselves?

At this point it would be better if they did bring real weapons so we don't have to hear about the IDF murdering attackers armed with tennis rackets, pea gravel, and a wacky waving arm inflatable tube man.

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I don't see anything about wiping the Jews off the planet in there.