If I was a Muslim nation watching what went down I would be getting a group together to bitch slap BiBi too.

Ogie. Are you an Israeli citizen and a member of the IDF?

You detest Arabs, don't you? You would love for the mass killing of Palestinians to be "justified" in any way possible.

The best part about this is that no one here is an anti-Semite, but it is in vogue to hope that a downtrodden people continue to get massacred.

Israel, and you, WANT and NEED Hamas to stay in some amount of power. That is the only way to justify the killing of Palestinians. Israel does just enough poking and prodding to push the Palestinians into the arms of Hamas, so that Israel never has to be an honest negotiating party. They can continue stating the other party are led by terrorists and killing them every few years without repercussions.

Netanyahu has the best sweetheart deal a genocidal maniac could ask for.

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Rick Hahn is the best GM in baseball.

I am a dual citizen (I have passports issued both by the US State Dept and the Israeli Foreign Ministry) and I am an IDF veteran after having been drafted into service as all able bodied Israelis are.

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“When I walked in this morning, and saw the flag was at half mast, I thought 'alright another bureaucrat ate it.'" - Ron Swanson

Which is where you are 100% wrong, and once again being a hardheaded little bitch.

This is why I understand Ogie's passion and his feelings.

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Even after the Palestinian narrative collapses in the face of statements by Hamas's own spokesman, you persist. Now that is what hardheadedness looks like.

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“When I walked in this morning, and saw the flag was at half mast, I thought 'alright another bureaucrat ate it.'" - Ron Swanson

But you don't live there and aren't in the IDF?

Well at least you are putting on full display what the PLO complains about.

Right now I'm living in the US and travel to Israel regularly for business (most of my clients are Israeli companies) and I am eligible to be called up for Miluim, which is what we call reserve duty.

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“When I walked in this morning, and saw the flag was at half mast, I thought 'alright another bureaucrat ate it.'" - Ron Swanson

Yeah but there is a basic humanity, compassion, and empathy that is severely lacking. I noticed it when I first began entering into these dialogues and they attempted to whitewash it by labeling everything Anti Semitic. If there is an Anti anything being demonstrated over the past 2 days Semitic isn't it. State sanctioned massacres of civilians are being condoned and applauded which is dangerous quite frankly.

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So this is why you feel that opening up on people who have not fired upon you is OK?

"civilians"

Hamas and Islamic Jihad both say otherwise.

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“When I walked in this morning, and saw the flag was at half mast, I thought 'alright another bureaucrat ate it.'" - Ron Swanson

You're constantly promoting the canard that Israel was somehow "stolen" from someone. All your thoughts proceed from there.

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Freedom is our Strength.

So I guess we are supposed to let them get into position to do so when their intent is already clear. Sorry, but that's not how we do things when faced with hostile forces. The IDF's duty is to protect the people of Israel, not make sure Hamas gets to break through the barrier and threaten the Gaza peripheral communities.

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“When I walked in this morning, and saw the flag was at half mast, I thought 'alright another bureaucrat ate it.'" - Ron Swanson

He slid in the fact that he was IDF during one of our interactions awhile ago and I decided not to make it an issue.

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So you're saying the cops should just fire at will whenever they think somebody may possibly be a threat?

WIth the exception of Ogie there isn't a person involved in this situation more biased than you. You have no credibility whatsoever on this subject. NOne. I never used the word "stolen" either. YOu are lying.

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IMU does.

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Elections have consequences.

You cannot compare civilian policing to what is an ongoing military conflict. The two are not comparable in any way shape or form.

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“When I walked in this morning, and saw the flag was at half mast, I thought 'alright another bureaucrat ate it.'" - Ron Swanson

Whether I have a bias or not does not matter when I present facts. Facts are facts regardless of who presents them.

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“When I walked in this morning, and saw the flag was at half mast, I thought 'alright another bureaucrat ate it.'" - Ron Swanson

I think this is a major part of the disagreement. There are those who don't think Arabs really mean it when they say they want to wipe Israel off the map. Or even if they do believe the Arabs mean what they say, the fact that they are currently incapable of achieving their desires becomes the critical issue.

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Freedom is our Strength.

Yes you can because they are both products of the state. They are part of government and they both have the power to oppress. They are comparable. You rail against govt tyranny and oppression until its Israel that is doing the oppressing. That is hypocritical to say the least.

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Ogie, what happened in WW2 was without a doubt one of the worst atrocities to happen in modern history.

However, unlike African Americans after slavery, Jewish people haven't been systematically oppressed for 150 years to make it more difficult for them to achieve financial success. If anything, Jewish people have thrived economically around the world. Especially in the US.

Maybe that's why you're getting push back here. Jewish suffering exists no doubt, but the message is always skewed when you're talking down from the top of the mountain in this country.

Edit: And besides you brandish extremist thoughts like murdering American police, but won't actually do it yourself. LoL that prolly skews the message as well.

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Now you're just being disingenuous.

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Freedom is our Strength.

Maybe it's a little bit of soft bigotry: look, we know those swarthy ethnics are given to boisterous hyperbole, you can't take "Death to America" at face value, either.

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duel?

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Elections have consequences.

Israel was established to be a safe haven for Jews. If you don't believe such a place is still needed, then you clearly haven't paid attention to Europe, where a Jew can no longer where a kippah in public without facing attack by someone let in by Merkel.

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“When I walked in this morning, and saw the flag was at half mast, I thought 'alright another bureaucrat ate it.'" - Ron Swanson

If they were in fact members of Hamas then you have more credibility than you had yesterday. The Facts have never mattered to Jorr and in a number of instances they really don't matter to you either. Jorr makes presumptions and feels that he is entitled to his own "facts". He concedes nothing and has deified the state of Israel. That is dangerous.

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Without waving away serious issues of antisemitism in Europe, don't you have to accept this as fair play while restricting Islamic dress in public as well?

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