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PostPosted: Sat May 19, 2018 9:00 pm 
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Here’s an excerpt from the article, IMU... curious to hear your thoughts...



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”Schools are safer today than they had been in previous decades," says James Alan Fox, a professor of criminology at Northeastern University who has studied the phenomenon of mass murder since the 1980s.

Fox and doctoral student Emma Fridel crunched the numbers, and the results should come as a relief to parents.

First, while multiple-victim shootings in general are on the rise, that's not the case in schools. There's an average of about one a year — in a country with more than 100,000 schools.

"There were more back in the '90s than in recent years," says Fox. "For example, in one school year — 1997-98 — there were four multiple-victim shootings in schools."

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No facts were twisted.

Patently false. Period.

That article and headline were purposely written to elicit the following reaction:

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Do you think active members of the military are proud that military service has become less deadly than being a kid at school?

Actually, rereading the headline, I was being too generous.

The headline isn’t twisting facts. It’s outright lying. It’s the literal definition of fake news.

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PostPosted: Sat May 19, 2018 9:13 pm 
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Here’s an excerpt from the article, IMU... curious to hear your thoughts...



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”Schools are safer today than they had been in previous decades," says James Alan Fox, a professor of criminology at Northeastern University who has studied the phenomenon of mass murder since the 1980s.

Fox and doctoral student Emma Fridel crunched the numbers, and the results should come as a relief to parents.

First, while multiple-victim shootings in general are on the rise, that's not the case in schools. There's an average of about one a year — in a country with more than 100,000 schools.

"There were more back in the '90s than in recent years," says Fox. "For example, in one school year — 1997-98 — there were four multiple-victim shootings in schools."

Look at the time stamp of this post. That tells you all you need to know. Feelings matter more than facts now. If someone feels schools are more dangerous now than 20 years ago than they must be.

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PostPosted: Sat May 19, 2018 9:31 pm 
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FavreFan wrote:
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No facts were twisted.

Patently false. Period.

Exactly what is false?

You seem to be accusing them of doing something nefarious, except they are counting death statistics the same way we've been doing it for decades.

Number of car accident deaths is reported as a flat number, not a percentage of licensed drivers. Number of deaths from lung cancer is a flat number, not a percentage of cigarette smokers. You're the one trying to specify the narrative. This is helping you swallow the number of children murdered in schools.

"YEAH BUT!"

Yeah but you want to go to the shooting range to rip off 150 rounds on a Saturday. I get it. Fuck the children. #2A

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PostPosted: Sat May 19, 2018 9:34 pm 
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IMU wrote:
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No facts were twisted.

Patently false. Period.

Exactly what is false?

The following statement:

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2018 has been deadlier for schoolchildren than service members


In 2018 a service member is 17x more likely to be killed than a child at school. Thus, 2018 has been deadlier to service members than schoolchildren.

This is relatively simple stuff to figure out on one’s own. Stop being so easily manipulated.

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PostPosted: Sat May 19, 2018 9:35 pm 
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IMU wrote:
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No facts were twisted.

Patently false. Period.

Exactly what is false?

You seem to be accusing them of doing something nefarious, except they are counting death statistics the same way we've been doing it for decades.

Number of car accident deaths is reported as a flat number, not a percentage of licensed drivers. Number of deaths from lung cancer is a flat number, not a percentage of cigarette smokers. You're the one trying to specify the narrative. This is helping you swallow the number of children murdered in schools.

"YEAH BUT!"

Yeah but you want to go to the shooting range to rip off 150 rounds on a Saturday. I get it. Fuck the children. #2A

When’s the last time you heard me talk about going to a shooting range?

I don’t own a gun and haven’t even seen one since 2013.

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PostPosted: Sat May 19, 2018 9:39 pm 
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Appeal to emotion or argumentum ad passiones is a logical fallacy characterized by the manipulation of the recipient's emotions in order to win an argument, especially in the absence of factual evidence.

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No facts were twisted.

Patently false. Period.

Exactly what is false?

The following statement:

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2018 has been deadlier for schoolchildren than service members


In 2018 a service member is 17x more likely to be killed than a child at school. Thus, 2018 has been deadlier to service members than schoolchildren.

This is relatively simple stuff to figure out on one’s own. Stop being so easily manipulated.

Now who didn't read the article, considering the original article says:

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The figures for 2018 do not suggest schools are more dangerous than combat zones. After all, there are more than 50 million students in public elementary and high schools and only about 1.3 million members of the armed forces. So far in 2018, a member of the military has been about 40 times as likely to be killed as someone is to die in a school shooting, including Keller’s revised figures.


So get your own facts correct.

FACT: The original Washington Post article highlights the fact that more school children have been killed than military members. FACT. They also, in their own article that you accuse of being disingenuous, make your own point better than you try to make it yourself.

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So that seems like a long way of admitting the headline was outright false.

Apology accepted.

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Except you can choose not to serve. Going to K-12 is a requirement.

But I'm used to the 'murdered schoolchildren is the cost of doing business' argument by now.

Eventually it will be the child of someone that you know, or your own, and maybe that will be what it takes to change some minds.


Memorial day is not to honor those who served,it is to honor those who fell plus,the majority of those who fell did so while there was this thing called the draft. Where you went whether you wanted to or not. Unless you ran to England ,Canada or had bone spurs. So the line about choose to serve is moronic.

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Have their deaths failed to protect our nation's schoolchildren?

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On a board with some real top-end prizewinners, nice work on starting one of the more insipid and asinine threads in some time.

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On a board with some real top-end prizewinners, nice work on starting one of the more insipid and asinine threads in some time.


Could be a case study in a college course to show the power of the media.

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On a board with some real top-end prizewinners, nice work on starting one of the more insipid and asinine threads in some time.

I won $52!

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On a board with some real top-end prizewinners, nice work on starting one of the more insipid and asinine threads in some time.

I won $52!

Oh, you didn't win $52. You EARNED $52.

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On a board with some real top-end prizewinners, nice work on starting one of the more insipid and asinine threads in some time.

I won $52!

You actually had a good point.

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