Pretty much.

Now Starbucks is just a private homeless shelter. Shareholders must be thrilled

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“When I walked in this morning, and saw the flag was at half mast, I thought 'alright another bureaucrat ate it.'" - Ron Swanson

It's not unreasonable to require a purchase in order to sit at a table. Now if they are selective in who they enforce the policy on, that's a different story.

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What do you mean, pretty much? I know that's definitely not enforced in the Starbucks I have frequented.

I will say that I've never seen a full house at starbucks where people had to stand.

I've seen people bring their own drinks in there and plug in. I guess if you have a laptop, you're free to loiter.

Two sets of humans. One group has no place to live, the other owns Starbucks stock.

Most of us worry more about the shareholders.

I assume "behaving in a disruptive way" would include begging customers for money. How long before a homeless person asking for spare change is removed and files a complaint? I can see people testing the limits.

This policy will backfire big-time.

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So have I but no one complains because about that because they generally don’t smell like piss when you just bought your $5 drink and sit next to them . I have witness however , paying cusotomers get up and leave when the homeless start their lunatic ranting accompanied with being malodorous .

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It aint the six minutes. Its what happens in those six minutes.

Starbucks has a fiduciary responsibility to one, plus they also have an obligation to their customers if they want us to keep coming back.

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Right, so it's not that they arent paying customers, its that they are poor/homeless/smell like piss.

Anyone soliciting anything should be thrown out though, I agree there.

This is a new stated policy. I don't think they allowed the homeless to loiter in the past, but this new official policy certainly means that they can go in there, sit down, and stay the day. The odors will be interesting to say the least.

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“When I walked in this morning, and saw the flag was at half mast, I thought 'alright another bureaucrat ate it.'" - Ron Swanson

I will bet their mission statement says nothing about shareholders. I know it's old fashioned but businesses used to actually claim they wanted to "serve the public"

Outside of the specifics, Im talking on a larger scale. The demonaization/hatred/dismissal of poor people is a problem, imo.

Again though, there is nothing new about it. They are just stating what has always been true in those places.

Starbucks has never been a "buy something or get out" type place. A big part of their business model was getting people in there to use the wi-fi so they would probably (but not necessarily) buy something.

Regardless of what your mission statement says, any publicly traded company has a board and officers with a fiduciary duty to their owners, who are the shareholders.

Inviting the homeless into your stores to displace your paying customers is not going to end well. They can do what they want, but at a point the shareholders are going to have enough if this has the predictable outcome.

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“When I walked in this morning, and saw the flag was at half mast, I thought 'alright another bureaucrat ate it.'" - Ron Swanson

Starbucks has been a buy something and go sit for a few hours after you buy it kind of place. It still involves a purchase though. Loitering rules may have been more lax around a Starbucks, but it certainly isn't something they appreciate. Now they are pretty much going out of their way to invite loiterers

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“When I walked in this morning, and saw the flag was at half mast, I thought 'alright another bureaucrat ate it.'" - Ron Swanson

Don't you live in Nebraska or something? Don't worry about it.

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I've never once in my life stopped and stayed in any coffee shop. Of course I don't have a budding manuscript and haven't felt the need to interview someone there either. So on one level this is a ridiculous non story to me.

Honestly, I wasn't surprised, nor moved by the original incident. But, I think the people who have turned this from a asst. store manager irrationally responding to a couple of those (non-smelly) people waiting like their other loitering inhabitants, with a venting session against having to sit next to the homeless need to get a grip or tone down their concerns over corporate fiduciary responsibility or boycotts. And many should pause to reflect on themselves, imo.

And as I've been asked, really at the end of the day, how much does this effect your own daily lives?

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It really does seem like a non stop overreaction marathon on all sides.

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I already frequently loiter at Starbucks.

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WON'T SOMEONE PLEASE THINK OF THE SHAREHOLDERS!

Let's be honest, this policy is destined to be a miserable failure and Starbucks will quietly reverse it in a month.

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“When I walked in this morning, and saw the flag was at half mast, I thought 'alright another bureaucrat ate it.'" - Ron Swanson

No, it really hasnt. You can say that as many times as you want, it will never be true. People have been going in there and not buying things for years.

And you cant really speak for what people do and do not appreciate. The fact is, a big part of the Starbucks explosion was getting people to hang out in there on their laptops, whether they purchase something or not.

Haven't argued in favor of the statement. All I've done is point out the fact that a purchase was never required.

I don't think the homeless are going to be bringing in their laptops when they hang out there.

This is just corporate virtue signaling and yeah it's going to backfire

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“When I walked in this morning, and saw the flag was at half mast, I thought 'alright another bureaucrat ate it.'" - Ron Swanson

Ok, so we're agreed, they've always let people hang out in there and this statement is nothing new. Cool.

They've allowed people to hang out, but I don't think they actively invited them in.

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“When I walked in this morning, and saw the flag was at half mast, I thought 'alright another bureaucrat ate it.'" - Ron Swanson

Does anyone else think it is hilariously ironic that the 'Corporations Are People' crowd hates when businesses like Starbucks participate in 'virtue signalling.' As a person, Starbucks is morally obligated to share their opinions with the masses in hopes of swaying opinion, to make society a better place.

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Not the one in downtown Downers Grove. You had to buy something quickly to be in there.

great, now I know where I can take a piss when i'm in the city and need to piss.

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Could you name a couple of the "Corporations are people" people?

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