Call me crazy, but I'm more concerned about verified government surveillance which has increased in scope and tenacity since 9/11 then I am some joe schmos in a university preventing Milo from speaking his fucking hate bait.

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Again look at the link I posted above for the many problems of their sourcing. They take mainstream science and then supplement it with complete crap from white supremacist authors and publications in service of their policy conclusion. The book itself wasn't even released to the press beforehand and of course not subject to any kind of peer review because it would be savaged in advance. Murray may have been able to churn out credible scientific work at one time and possibly could still do so if he desired (though most likely not in stats, where he admits his own understanding is extremely limited), but that does not describe anything close to what he has produced for the last 35 years.

If you're going to try to say that Milo and Ben Shapiro are on the same level, then you're just going to make a complete ass of yourself.

Milo is a fucking grifter who will attach himself to any idea that gets him invites/money.

Shapiro, while he has his faults, at least has a set of ideals and principles he believes in. Let me remind you that he didn't even vote for Trump.

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No I wasn't making an argument in the first part at all but rather laughing at Charles Murray. And of course in the second part, I did make several arguments, namely that the influence of academia is an empirical claim that needs a whole lot more support than "It seems to me...," that the focus on elite institutions similarly disregards much of the population, and that many of these speakers are invited to campuses precisely to incite reactions.

They're a helluva lot closer to the same level than Shapiro is to anyone worth taking seriously or engaging in good faith.

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Ok Ogie.

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Why is Shapiro not "worth taking seriously or engaging in good faith"?

It seems you are agreeing with me but some preconceived notions that you apparently have are making you disagreeable. It's almost like a call to Bernstein.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

Holy shit, that’s unbelievable. You must be a college administrator, huh?

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That is an old Ann Coulter trick

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No, I read that part. I also happened to read the rest of your post that it Goldberg's totally valid point doesn't matter though because of our precious leaders of tomorrow and that damned culutral influence of academia.

I think Nathan Robinson's article hits most of the notes I'd mention.

Seriously, one is a grifter who takes up provocative positions for money.

The other is a person who graduated from Harvard Law at age 21, holds true to conservative principles, and refused to vote for Donald Trump.

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“When I walked in this morning, and saw the flag was at half mast, I thought 'alright another bureaucrat ate it.'" - Ron Swanson

It appears as if your source is repeating what I have been saying:

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Why are only 14 percent of black CPS 11th-graders proficient in English?

What's your premise here? That academia has minimal influence on American society/culture?

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/missouri/articles/2018-05-04/university-of-missouri-sees-climb-in-freshman-enrollment


COLUMBIA, Mo. (AP) — University of Missouri enrollment for the incoming freshman class is up more than 14 percent from this time last year, according to the university.

Nearly 4,550 students have already paid deposits for enrollment, which will remain open over the summer, the Columbia Missourian reported .

The forecast figure has surpassed the 2017 first-time student enrollment of fewer than 4,200, but the numbers are still under the peak of nearly 6,200 in 2015.


Money deposited certainly should appear to suggest more than "could" in your eyes.


As for the rest of your post, despite dubious claims by some in the wake of the Nov '2015 unrest, reports of the Klan or other assholes riding around in pickups trying to stir crap up, and the painting of swastikas were very real to many down there who I think were in a better position to know than you or I. And the parents emails I got from the university were pretty clear on that.

And spare us all your crocodile tears over "damaged careers"

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I think Shapiro is ok but too often falls into the trap of always looking for a GOTCHA take with unnamed and generalized "LIBS"

That's like saying Global Warming is a real problem sure, but what about starving children here in America now. It serves nothing in the current discussion.

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Why are only 14 percent of black CPS 11th-graders proficient in English?

He’s one of the more principled people out there. He left Breitbart when he perceived them as shilling for Trump and not standing behind one of their female reporters. He has a personal hatred for Steve Bannon, and he’s received more online anti-Semitic threats than almost anyone. But yeah, he’s a Nazi.

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That the equivalently inordinate influence you attempted to argue for needs more support and that contextless claims of this just seem like an end-around to conclude that it's still fine and good to myopically focus on random college incidents instead of the far more pervasive and increasing regulations on free speech from corporations and the state itself.

Make your own points. Relying on someone who leads off their "take down" of Ben Shapiro with "He's supposed to be an intellectual, but he insulted antifa!" and then "debunks" Shapiro's claims via various strawmen (countering Shapiro's claims about the income of white single mothers with statistics about white single-parent households as a whole, for one), isn't doing a lot to change the idea that you wish to write off Shapiro simply because you disagree with him.

No, you've been claiming the methodology altogether is not in question. CERTAIN facts not being in contention doesn't mean the entire book is methodologically sound.

I'm sorry if that article was too long for you.

You have proven nothing here. Enrollment is back up years after the fact. Why was it down in the first place?

The Klan was never on campus. And the poop swastika you cite has zero documentation. So your emails are about as "real" as the imaginary Klansmen hiding behind Harpos.

Spare me your offense over "hate speech" on a campus. The claims are dubious at best, and outside the power of the university to police. If you heard someone shouting at you as you walked would it be the fault of the town you were walking in? Does that mean the town should lose millions of dollars, and be smeared throughout the country as evil? That's what happened in this case.

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Why are only 14 percent of black CPS 11th-graders proficient in English?

What facts are in dispute? Their research is sound, but people don't like their conclusions.

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Why are only 14 percent of black CPS 11th-graders proficient in English?

That is what i remember about the Shapiro guy too. Interesting how none of the actual points from the article will be addressed however. Usual bashing of sources that don't agree with run of the mill talking points. It is why I used Farrakhan as an example. Farrakhan needs to be silenced and Shapiro heard although Shapiro makes the same sort of arguments that Farrakhan would happen to make and people don't see that as something "oppressive". I'm not an advocate of Farrakhan but I do advocate for his and others "right to be heard" if we are going to be a nation proclaiming to be one which tolerates free speech.

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I'm reading through it as I reply to you, and I'm seeing a lot of uninspired retorts to Shapiro's points. Feel free to substantiate your original claim with your own input, but here's a sampling:



Here's the first obfuscation: Is this discussion about how racism impacts earning power or is it not? Because if racism was a determining factor in earning power, the education level and family wealth of Asian Americans would be irrelevant to their earning power in the racist economy favoring whites in America. Now all of a sudden earning potential incorporates education and family structure? Ok....



Now earning potential is back to being determined by racism, instead of education, but the writer literally just got done telling us Shapiro is wrong for pointing out that the alleged racism of American culture doesn't seem to impact Asian Americans and their earning power, because those Asian Americans tend to be more highly educated. Which. Is. It?



This is, quite simply, a rather poor strawman. Shapiro specifically said, and the writer specifically quoted, "white single mothers", but the "debunking" of Shapiro's point is done with "white single parent" figures, not incorporating education level (which the author still hasn't decided matters or not).

Until you prove otherwise, Big Stroker, it just looks like you don't want to engage with Shapiro because you disagree with him, not because of anything specifically that makes him unworthy of serious consideration.

You fraudulently posted an old article that isn't representative of the current situation. Your own words: Enrollment is back up years after the fact, shows how anemic your plan of citing that NYT article was. But then again I posted numbers of verified increases in paid freshman enrollment that you now equally facetiously claim are empty.

We all know why enrollment dropped, but unexamined in your article were the first hand stories of kids who decided to go to substantially lesser schools because they believed the lesser schools to be the very safe spaces you rail on about. You as usual want it both ways.

You may have missed that I never said "poop" swastika. That one was debunked, but others weren't. As for the emails from the administration I cited, obviously I don't have copies of them, but it certainly is more likely that the university would have sent a dozen or two during that period to concerned parents and online than you would suggest from your still unqualified slanted perch.

It's funny though that you still cry over the area's loss of jobs/money, yet in the very same paragraph note how the treatment of minorities on campus was "outside the power of the university to police". Which one is it???

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So Leash claims he was a Lefty, but now is defending Ben Shapiro as an intellectual. That's a hell of a transformation there man.