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In investigating Shapiro’s works, then, the first sign that he might not be a “philosopher” was that he didn’t seem especially interested in the central task of philosophy, namely the critical scrutiny of your own beliefs. Shapiro’s worldview is fixed and immovable. Watch the video of his answer on the racial wealth gap: when his black co-panelists laugh at his answer about culture, he does not think to himself “Hm, perhaps they know something I don’t know about what it is like to be black,” he thinks “They must be irrational and in need of my wisdom.” He doesn’t listen to anyone, he just confronts them.


:lol: This entire piece is dedicated to not at all considering the validity of Shapiro's points. Seems fitting that this kind of hypocrisy would form the basis for Zeph's outlook on people with thoughts counter to his own.


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PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2018 10:50 am 
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In investigating Shapiro’s works, then, the first sign that he might not be a “philosopher” was that he didn’t seem especially interested in the central task of philosophy, namely the critical scrutiny of your own beliefs. Shapiro’s worldview is fixed and immovable. Watch the video of his answer on the racial wealth gap: when his black co-panelists laugh at his answer about culture, he does not think to himself “Hm, perhaps they know something I don’t know about what it is like to be black,” he thinks “They must be irrational and in need of my wisdom.” He doesn’t listen to anyone, he just confronts them.


:lol: This entire piece is dedicated to not at all considering the validity of Shapiro's points. Seems fitting that this kind of hypocrisy would form the basis for Zeph's outlook on people with thoughts counter to his own.

What's the phrase Leash? ..... oh the irony.


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McNown, stop worrying about my ideology and try contributing to the conversation for a change.

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PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2018 10:54 am 
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McNown, stop worrying about my ideology and try contributing to the conversation for a change.

Leash sure as soon as you stop being a condescending prick.


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McNown, stop worrying about my ideology and try contributing to the conversation for a change.

Leash sure as soon as you stop being a condescending prick.


You do understand why I mentioned irony yesterday, yes?

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PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2018 10:58 am 
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McNown, stop worrying about my ideology and try contributing to the conversation for a change.

Leash sure as soon as you stop being a condescending prick.


You do understand why I mentioned irony yesterday, yes?

You do understand that I'm going to keep calling you out on your AWAKENING asshole persona right?


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:lol: You still don’t get it.

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:lol: You still don’t get it.

You would think that after being named the worst poster on the board, he would sit back and reflect, but nope he still goes on shitting up threads that were decent reads until he showed up.

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PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2018 11:03 am 
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:lol: You still don’t get it.

You would think that after being named the worst poster on the board, he would sit back and reflect, but nope he still goes on shitting up threads that were decent reads until he showed up.

:lol: A thread about Bernie and Hillary crying. Yeah this was a good read.

We've done a great job of deflecting away from defending the work of Ben Shaprio though. :lol:


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PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2018 11:06 am 
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Baby McNown wrote:
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:lol: You still don’t get it.

You would think that after being named the worst poster on the board, he would sit back and reflect, but nope he still goes on shitting up threads that were decent reads until he showed up.

:lol: A thread about Bernie and Hillary crying. Yeah this was a good read.

We've done a great job of deflecting away from defending the work of Ben Shaprio though. :lol:


I noticed that also.

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PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2018 11:25 am 
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Great thread. Lots of good stuff here.




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I don't know if you saw any of the debate on political correctness between Michael Eric Dyson and Michelle Goldberg on one side vs. Jordan Peterson and Stephen Fry on the other. But Goldberg made the point that the only way a person could believe that the Left was holding sway in America is by spending most of his/her time on a college campus. That was an obvious shot at Peterson, but I thought, a valid point.

Still, it ignores the fact that our future leaders are all coming through this environment and I think you're dismissing that fact a bit too easily.

Also, on a somewhat related note, I remember a pie chart in Charles Murray's book Coming Apart that illustrated a breakdown of the political beliefs of Americans in rural areas and cities. The groupings were actually roughly the same. However, when the cities were narrowed down to New York, D.C., L.A., Seattle, and San Francisco, doctrinaire liberal took up about 65% of the chart. These are our cultural centers that have an inordinate influence over media, entertainment, advertising, etc. I would suggest that academia has a similar influence and certainly what is being taught at our universities now will be critical in years to come.


Yep, liberalism has won the culture war decisively everywhere but the ballot box. And I think conservatives are just as frustrated with what they can't have as liberals are.

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PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2018 11:38 am 
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:lol: You still don’t get it.

You would think that after being named the worst poster on the board, he would sit back and reflect, but nope he still goes on shitting up threads that were decent reads until he showed up.

:lol: A thread about Bernie and Hillary crying. Yeah this was a good read.

We've done a great job of deflecting away from defending the work of Ben Shaprio though. :lol:


I noticed that also.


Noticed what? Ben Shapiro is an extremely sharp dude with a lot of views I agree with. I don't give a shit if you like it. You act like people who disagree with you or like certain people aren't entitled to their opinions. There's nothing to deflect or defend.

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PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2018 11:39 am 
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leashyourkids wrote:
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Baby McNown wrote:
Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
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:lol: You still don’t get it.

You would think that after being named the worst poster on the board, he would sit back and reflect, but nope he still goes on shitting up threads that were decent reads until he showed up.

:lol: A thread about Bernie and Hillary crying. Yeah this was a good read.

We've done a great job of deflecting away from defending the work of Ben Shaprio though. :lol:


I noticed that also.


Noticed what? Ben Shapiro is an extremely sharp dude with a lot of views I agree with. I don't give a shit if you like it. You act like people who disagree with you or like certain people aren't entitled to their opinions. There's nothing to deflect or defend.

Me too.

He's a little smarmy though. He's political Steve Stone.


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leashyourkids wrote:
long time guy wrote:
Baby McNown wrote:
Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
leashyourkids wrote:
:lol: You still don’t get it.

You would think that after being named the worst poster on the board, he would sit back and reflect, but nope he still goes on shitting up threads that were decent reads until he showed up.

:lol: A thread about Bernie and Hillary crying. Yeah this was a good read.

We've done a great job of deflecting away from defending the work of Ben Shaprio though. :lol:


I noticed that also.


Noticed what? Ben Shapiro is an extremely sharp dude with a lot of views I agree with. I don't give a shit if you like it. You act like people who disagree with you or like certain people aren't entitled to their opinions. There's nothing to deflect or defend.

I agree with some of his views, disagree with others of his. I kind of wish he'd avoid the Twitter "gotcha" games he sometimes plays as his intelligence is above that. He's at his best when he is using a longer format than twitter. I feel he undermines himself a lot on twitter when he plays those games.

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rogers park bryan wrote:
leashyourkids wrote:
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Baby McNown wrote:
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:lol: You still don’t get it.

You would think that after being named the worst poster on the board, he would sit back and reflect, but nope he still goes on shitting up threads that were decent reads until he showed up.

:lol: A thread about Bernie and Hillary crying. Yeah this was a good read.

We've done a great job of deflecting away from defending the work of Ben Shaprio though. :lol:


I noticed that also.


Noticed what? Ben Shapiro is an extremely sharp dude with a lot of views I agree with. I don't give a shit if you like it. You act like people who disagree with you or like certain people aren't entitled to their opinions. There's nothing to deflect or defend.

Me too.

He's a little smarmy though. He's political Steve Stone.


He is. If I knew him personally, I'd probably want to punch him. I agree with a lot of what he says, though.

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Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
leashyourkids wrote:
long time guy wrote:
Baby McNown wrote:
Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
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:lol: You still don’t get it.

You would think that after being named the worst poster on the board, he would sit back and reflect, but nope he still goes on shitting up threads that were decent reads until he showed up.

:lol: A thread about Bernie and Hillary crying. Yeah this was a good read.

We've done a great job of deflecting away from defending the work of Ben Shaprio though. :lol:


I noticed that also.


Noticed what? Ben Shapiro is an extremely sharp dude with a lot of views I agree with. I don't give a shit if you like it. You act like people who disagree with you or like certain people aren't entitled to their opinions. There's nothing to deflect or defend.

I agree with some of his views, disagree with others of his. I kind of wish he'd avoid the Twitter "gotcha" games he sometimes plays as his intelligence is above that. He's at his best when he is using a longer format than twitter. I feel he undermines himself a lot on twitter when he plays those games.


Agreed. I also don't like some of the language he uses, as it is particularly charged. However, I don't think he does it in the way Milo does. Shapiro simply has strongly held beliefs and is trying to voice them. He is not doing it to intentionally rile people up. He is very polite during the Q & A's, though.

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leashyourkids wrote:
long time guy wrote:
Baby McNown wrote:
Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
leashyourkids wrote:
:lol: You still don’t get it.

You would think that after being named the worst poster on the board, he would sit back and reflect, but nope he still goes on shitting up threads that were decent reads until he showed up.

:lol: A thread about Bernie and Hillary crying. Yeah this was a good read.

We've done a great job of deflecting away from defending the work of Ben Shaprio though. :lol:


I noticed that also.


Noticed what? Ben Shapiro is an extremely sharp dude with a lot of views I agree with. I don't give a shit if you like it. You act like people who disagree with you or like certain people aren't entitled to their opinions. There's nothing to deflect or defend.


i can make similar arguments about Farrakhan being a "sharp dude" but it still would render his xenophobic demagoguery to be no less alarming.

He can have whatever opinion that he wants and I can also disagree with said opinion as I am now. His opinion entitlement that you reference still doesn't address the fact that he makes bigoted statements.

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Today on as the CFMB turns:

College kids threatening our 2500 year old way of life?

Ben Shapiro and other conservative "intellectuals". Race-baiting fearmongers? Or people we sometimes agree with?

Keep following as we are sure to come to a board wide agreement on Baby Mac's understanding of irony before the day ends!!!

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leashyourkids wrote:
long time guy wrote:
Baby McNown wrote:
Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
leashyourkids wrote:
:lol: You still don’t get it.

You would think that after being named the worst poster on the board, he would sit back and reflect, but nope he still goes on shitting up threads that were decent reads until he showed up.

:lol: A thread about Bernie and Hillary crying. Yeah this was a good read.

We've done a great job of deflecting away from defending the work of Ben Shaprio though. :lol:


I noticed that also.


Noticed what? Ben Shapiro is an extremely sharp dude with a lot of views I agree with. I don't give a shit if you like it. You act like people who disagree with you or like certain people aren't entitled to their opinions. There's nothing to deflect or defend.


i can make similar arguments about Farrakhan being a "sharp dude" but it still would render his xenophobic demagoguery to be no less alarming.

He can have whatever opinion that he wants and I can also disagree with said opinion as I am now. His opinion entitlement that you reference still doesn't address the fact that he makes bigoted statements.
comparing Farrakhan with Shapiro makes you both a moron and an asshole. Fuck off

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TIL saying "black people constitute a higher percentage of the prison population than the at-large population because they commit more crimes" is a bigoted statement.


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Agreed. I also don't like some of the language he uses, as it is particularly charged. However, I don't think he does it in the way Milo does. Shapiro simply has strongly held beliefs and is trying to voice them. He is not doing it to intentionally rile people up. He is very polite during the Q & A's, though.


From the article Zeph linked earlier. Antifa sucks btw.

Toward the beginning, he addressed Antifa protesters, whom he called “communist pieces of garbage”: “You guys are so stupid… you can all go to hell, you pathetic, lying, stupid jackasses.” According to the Times, there is a wide gulf between Trump/Yiannopoulos-style vulgar conservatism and Shapiro-style Logical conservatism, but I just am not sure that I see in “Go to hell, you communist piece of garbage” the kind of “polemical brilliance” that Shapiro is reputed to demonstrate. The rest of the speech, when it got beyond making Botox jokes about Nancy Pelosi, was strong on insults (“pusillanimous cowards,” “hard-Left morons,” “uncivilized barbarians”) and light on actual argumentation and substantive factual claims.

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TIL saying "black people constitute a higher percentage of the prison population than the at-large population because they commit more crimes" is a bigoted statement.

Are you open to the possibility that it may be a little more complex than that?


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TIL saying "black people constitute a higher percentage of the prison population than the at-large population because they commit more crimes" is a bigoted statement.

Are you open to the possibility that it may be a little more complex than that?


The statement isn't concerned with the "why" of the criminal behavior. Unless you are prepared to argue that there are a HUGE amount of false convictions, the statement is true and is not in need of further context.


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PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2018 12:02 pm 
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You act like people who disagree with you or like certain people aren't entitled to their opinions.

This is your entire board persona now. Shut the fuck up with the victim card.


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Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
TIL saying "black people constitute a higher percentage of the prison population than the at-large population because they commit more crimes" is a bigoted statement.

Are you open to the possibility that it may be a little more complex than that?


The statement isn't concerned with the "why" of the criminal behavior. Unless you are prepared to argue that there are a HUGE amount of false convictions, the statement is true and is not in need of further context.

If you are asking me if I subscribe to "conviction = definitely did the crime" then Im going to say no.

What about say the 5/50 crack vs cocaine thing? That kind of stuff?


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PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2018 12:04 pm 
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comparing Farrakhan with Shapiro makes you both a moron and an asshole. Fuck off

Shouldn't you be standing a post in care people come to take your guns away... oh wait. Nevermind. Go back to thinking Ben Shaprio is Socrates.


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comparing Farrakhan with Shapiro makes you both a moron and an asshole. Fuck off



At what point does your hypocritical and rather biased bullshit end? You are being exposed as a damn fraud with each passing day and this is from a guy that attempts to give the benefit of the doubt on this stuff.

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comparing Farrakhan with Shapiro makes you both a moron and an asshole. Fuck off



At what point does your hypocritical and rather biased bullshit end? You are being exposed as a damn fraud with each passing day and this is from a guy that attempts to give the benefit of the doubt on this stuff.[/quote]
Oh keep trying LTG. One day someone will laugh at your jokes.

Now go back to Farrakhan. I guess we know where your antisemitism comes from.

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https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/missouri/articles/2018-05-04/university-of-missouri-sees-climb-in-freshman-enrollment


COLUMBIA, Mo. (AP) — University of Missouri enrollment for the incoming freshman class is up more than 14 percent from this time last year, according to the university.

Nearly 4,550 students have already paid deposits for enrollment, which will remain open over the summer, the Columbia Missourian reported .

The forecast figure has surpassed the 2017 first-time student enrollment of fewer than 4,200, but the numbers are still under the peak of nearly 6,200 in 2015.


Money deposited certainly should appear to suggest more than "could" in your eyes.


As for the rest of your post, despite dubious claims by some in the wake of the Nov '2015 unrest, reports of the Klan or other assholes riding around in pickups trying to stir crap up, and the painting of swastikas were very real to many down there who I think were in a better position to know than you or I. And the parents emails I got from the university were pretty clear on that.

And spare us all your crocodile tears over "damaged careers"


You have proven nothing here. Enrollment is back up years after the fact. Why was it down in the first place?

The Klan was never on campus. And the poop swastika you cite has zero documentation. So your emails are about as "real" as the imaginary Klansmen hiding behind Harpos.

Spare me your offense over "hate speech" on a campus. The claims are dubious at best, and outside the power of the university to police. If you heard someone shouting at you as you walked would it be the fault of the town you were walking in? Does that mean the town should lose millions of dollars, and be smeared throughout the country as evil? That's what happened in this case.


You fraudulently posted an old article that isn't representative of the current situation. Your own words: Enrollment is back up years after the fact, shows how anemic your plan of citing that NYT article was. But then again I posted numbers of verified increases in paid freshman enrollment that you now equally facetiously claim are empty.

We all know why enrollment dropped, but unexamined in your article were the first hand stories of kids who decided to go to substantially lesser schools because they believed the lesser schools to be the very safe spaces you rail on about. You as usual want it both ways.

You may have missed that I never said "poop" swastika. That one was debunked, but others weren't. As for the emails from the administration I cited, obviously I don't have copies of them, but it certainly is more likely that the university would have sent a dozen or two during that period to concerned parents and online than you would suggest from your still unqualified slanted perch.

It's funny though that you still cry over the area's loss of jobs/money, yet in the very same paragraph note how the treatment of minorities on campus was "outside the power of the university to police". Which one is it???


You are all emotional and lying about the facts in the case. If in the specific case you are referring to people supposedly yelled from a truck at a minority student near school grounds what is the school supposed to do about it? Answer that.

The school already has mandatory cross cultural training for incoming students, and if a student is being openly hostile to minorities he or she will be punished.

I will await my answer on the above. As for the rest- I've seen many of these emails. At no time was campus an unsafe or unwelcoming place for minority students. There is nothing fraudulent about posting the New York Times article. You have done nothing to refute it, and I posted the more recent article. I am operating from a place of good faith.

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