Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
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No, it's a basic point about selection bias. The average Asian immigrant isn't as poor as the average African American in the first place, so pointing to their wealth doesn't result in an apples-to-apples comparison.
So does racism to non-whites determine wealth or earning potential or doesn't it? It's ludicrous to pretend that the racism of America only impacts the wealth/earning potential of black people...and then, only poor black people. If racism is determinant of economic outcomes for people, their base wealth shouldn't matter once they come here.
Do you seriously think racism can strictly function as
completely determinative or not at all? That's definitely the sense I'm getting from this hilariously rigid dichotomy you're alluding to here and it makes it sound like you're completely oblivious about how social science macro variables actually function.
I also think it's rather hilarious that you find it absurd that racism against blacks specifically could ever possibly a more intense and/or unique form than racism against other minority groups given this country's history.
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If Asian Americans tend to be more wealthy than white Americans because of their base wealth and education level, and are unaffected by the racism of Americe, then it cannot also be true that education is non-determinant in the wealth or earning power of black people, as the author does in your linked piece.
He's not saying education is wholly irrelevant here. He's making a point about how tautological it is to say "get a full time job" as a prescription for success is since one of the greatest obstacles, aside from and in addition to education, is actually getting said jobs.
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How does it not when your author states that education level doesn't help black people's earning power because of racism? If the racism of America keeps educated black people from earning, why does that same racism not impact Asian Americans in the same way?
The whole point of highlighting how wealthy immigrants make up a large portion of Asian Americans is to dispel the very bootstrap snake oil that Shapiro is selling. At bare minimum racism is unlikely to erode the existing familial wealth but there's also the fact that a wealthy person is unlikely to actually emigrate unless the earning potential was in place already.
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Shapiro did put a control on the data, the author disregarded it in favor a statistic that isn't relevant to what Shapiro said. It's a rather disingenuous strawman, like I said.
It's not a strawman to look at the median wealth of single parent white households compared to minority two-parent households. You seem to think the switch from single-parent to single-mother constitutes some sort of huge GOTCHA, but again, Robinson's statistic seems perfectly relevant as a response to the logic of people choosing to be poor.
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Yeah, I know, because you disagree with him, not because Shapiro is completely unreasonable or hateful in his opinions and thoughts.
He can both hold bad opinions and make bad arguments for them. And of course also spout completely hateful rhetoric about the Arabs, leftists, trans people, and homosexuals. But don't dare let that detract from the presumption of good faith, as that would be downright uncharitable!
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