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If you're against racial injustice and police brutality, then you're ok with the NFL protests. Pretty simple. Now time for me to listen to men who are 6 times less likely to be affected by either talk about it.
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If you're against racial injustice and police brutality, then you're ok with the NFL protests. Pretty simple. Now time for me to listen to men who are 6 times less likely to be affected by either talk about it.
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Fighting the good fight. It's not binary. Most of us are dead set against police brutality and racial injustice. But with that presumably large group, MANY feel protesting during the anthem is bad form.

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So the best metric to host a show is if you are likely to face police brutality. Let's fine the best hosts on the cell block!

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If you're against racial injustice and police brutality, then you're ok with the NFL protests. Pretty simple. Now time for me to listen to men who are 6 times less likely to be affected by either talk about it.
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Fighting the good fight. It's not binary. Most of us are dead set against police brutality and racial injustice. But with that presumably large group, MANY feel protesting during the anthem is bad form.

MANY feel protesting before the anthem is played is bad form. MANY seem to feel protesting at all is bad form.


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If you're against racial injustice and police brutality, then you're ok with the NFL protests. Pretty simple. Now time for me to listen to men who are 6 times less likely to be affected by either talk about it.
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If you're against racial injustice and police brutality, then you're ok with the NFL protests. Pretty simple. Now time for me to listen to men who are 6 times less likely to be affected by either talk about it.
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:lol:


Fighting the good fight. It's not binary. Most of us are dead set against police brutality and racial injustice. But with that presumably large group, MANY feel protesting during the anthem is bad form.

MANY feel protesting before the anthem is played is bad form. MANY seem to feel protesting at all is bad form.


Well, those are folks against the American ideal. And we have plenty of folks on both sides that like to muzzle speech with which they disagree.

Personally, I just think the people protesting during the anthem are turning off more people than they are inspiring. But at least they are getting people to talk about their cause, so there's that.

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If you're against racial injustice and police brutality, then you're ok with the NFL protests. Pretty simple. Now time for me to listen to men who are 6 times less likely to be affected by either talk about it.
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If you're against racial injustice and police brutality, then you're ok with the NFL protests. Pretty simple. Now time for me to listen to men who are 6 times less likely to be affected by either talk about it.
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Jason- You can always choose not to listen. Just like many of us did to your abomination of a show which is why you're on Twitter and not the air waves.

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Are we sure that, if we assume an interaction with a police officer, that whites are less likely to be victimized by unwarranted police violence than black people?

The aggregate statistics make Goff's statement true, and proceeding from that point of fact, I think it is prudent to then explore how likely white people are to interact with police officers relative to black people doing the same. I remember a study that tried to approximate "police interaction rates" using police reports, but not all interactions with police generate a report, in fact I'm willing to bet that most interactions, regardless of race, do not wind up documented in reports.


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If you're against racial injustice and police brutality, then you're ok with the NFL protests. Pretty simple. Now time for me to listen to men who are 6 times less likely to be affected by either talk about it.
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Jason- You can always choose not to listen. Just like many of us did to your abomination of a show which is why you're on Twitter and not the air waves.

FAKE NEWS . He has tons of offers coming n . Just ask him.

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denisdman wrote:
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If you're against racial injustice and police brutality, then you're ok with the NFL protests. Pretty simple. Now time for me to listen to men who are 6 times less likely to be affected by either talk about it.
1:20 PM · May 23, 2018


:lol:


Fighting the good fight. It's not binary. Most of us are dead set against police brutality and racial injustice. But with that presumably large group, MANY feel protesting during the anthem is bad form.

MANY feel protesting before the anthem is played is bad form. MANY seem to feel protesting at all is bad form.



Really? Where is your evidence of that?

Personally, I don't give a fuck if they kneel during the anthem or wipe their asses with the American flag on TV, but what Goff says is simply wrong. A person can very well be against racial injustice/police brutality and against kneeling during the anthem at the same time. That isn't really difficult to understand.

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Are we sure that, if we assume an interaction with a police officer, that whites are less likely to be victimized by unwarranted police violence than black people?

The aggregate statistics make Goff's statement true, and proceeding from that point of fact, I think it is prudent to then explore how likely white people are to interact with police officers relative to black people doing the same. I remember a study that tried to approximate "police interaction rates" using police reports, but not all interactions with police generate a report, in fact I'm willing to bet that most interactions, regardless of race, do not wind up documented in reports.


I believe this is the chart you are looking for.

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If you're against racial injustice and police brutality, then you're ok with the NFL protests. Pretty simple. Now time for me to listen to men who are 6 times less likely to be affected by either talk about it.
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:lol:


Fighting the good fight. It's not binary. Most of us are dead set against police brutality and racial injustice. But with that presumably large group, MANY feel protesting during the anthem is bad form.

MANY feel protesting before the anthem is played is bad form. MANY seem to feel protesting at all is bad form.



Really? Where is your evidence of that?

Personally, I don't give a fuck if they kneel during the anthem or wipe their asses with the American flag on TV, but what Goff says is simply wrong. A person can very well be against racial injustice/police brutality and against kneeling during the anthem at the same time. That isn't really difficult to understand.

The fact that players and teams who purposefully knelt only before the anthem were still widely booed indicates to me that for MANY this has never been strictly about respect during the anthem but the audacity to express any kind of opinion at all.


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Well this show thread is off to a rolling start

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I know what moves meters around here.

and that meter has moved, but souls weren't

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The fact that players and teams who purposefully knelt only before the anthem were still widely booed indicates to me that for MANY this has never been strictly about respect during the anthem but the audacity to express any kind of opinion at all.
So your evidence is a few boos that you arbitrarily hear thru your TV?

I hope you realize that it is least plausible- if not likely- that some of those boos are directed at the player(s) simply because he is not wearing the uniform of the home team.

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The fact that players and teams who purposefully knelt only before the anthem were still widely booed indicates to me that for MANY this has never been strictly about respect during the anthem but the audacity to express any kind of opinion at all.
So your evidence is a few boos that you arbitrarily hear thru your TV? It is also possible that some of those boos are directed at the player(s) simply because he is not wearing the uniform of the home team.

The Ravens, Jaguars, and Cowboys were all widely booed by their home fans when they took knees before the anthem. This wasn't just my subjective opinion, it was widely reported on. But you're right, maybe it was the visiting fans booing them!


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Then based on what you said earlier, you believe that everybody who booed in Jacksonville, Baltimore, and Dallas is against any protest at all at any time or any where.

Nobody is gonna buy that, so don't try selling it.

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Are we sure that, if we assume an interaction with a police officer, that whites are less likely to be victimized by unwarranted police violence than black people?

The aggregate statistics make Goff's statement true, and proceeding from that point of fact, I think it is prudent to then explore how likely white people are to interact with police officers relative to black people doing the same. I remember a study that tried to approximate "police interaction rates" using police reports, but not all interactions with police generate a report, in fact I'm willing to bet that most interactions, regardless of race, do not wind up documented in reports.



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TIL saying "black people constitute a higher percentage of the prison population than the at-large population because they commit more crimes" is a bigoted statement.

Are you open to the possibility that it may be a little more complex than that?


The statement isn't concerned with the "why" of the criminal behavior. Unless you are prepared to argue that there are a HUGE amount of false convictions, the statement is true and is not in need of further context.


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If you're against racial injustice and police brutality, then you're ok with the NFL protests. Pretty simple. Now time for me to listen to men who are 6 times less likely to be affected by either talk about it.
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:lol:


Fighting the good fight. It's not binary. Most of us are dead set against police brutality and racial injustice. But with that presumably large group, MANY feel protesting during the anthem is bad form.

MANY feel protesting before the anthem is played is bad form. MANY seem to feel protesting at all is bad form.



Really? Where is your evidence of that?

Personally, I don't give a fuck if they kneel during the anthem or wipe their asses with the American flag on TV, but what Goff says is simply wrong. A person can very well be against racial injustice/police brutality and against kneeling during the anthem at the same time. That isn't really difficult to understand.

Agreed. It would be like saying if you think Jane Fonda spitting in veterans faces was wrong, you support the Vietnam war.


There are definitely people that think protesting of any kind is wrong. A guy I work with calls em "troublemakers"


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Then based on what you said earlier, you believe that everybody who booed in Jacksonville, Baltimore, and Dallas is against any protest at all at any time or any where.

Nobody is gonna buy that, so don't try selling it.

My view of their being against a protest any time anywhere wasn't entirely derived from that, but I think it's definitely circumstantial evidence IMO. And of course it's direct evidence that this wasn't strictly about the flag or anthem for MANY of the booers.

I'll happily amend my statement though and say the people who booed even when those players did end up standing for the anthem are not opposed to all protests, but only those that they happen to be exposed to. They're likely totally in favor of all protests that are totally out of sight and out of mind.


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Are we sure that, if we assume an interaction with a police officer, that whites are less likely to be victimized by unwarranted police violence than black people?

The aggregate statistics make Goff's statement true, and proceeding from that point of fact, I think it is prudent to then explore how likely white people are to interact with police officers relative to black people doing the same. I remember a study that tried to approximate "police interaction rates" using police reports, but not all interactions with police generate a report, in fact I'm willing to bet that most interactions, regardless of race, do not wind up documented in reports.



Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
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TIL saying "black people constitute a higher percentage of the prison population than the at-large population because they commit more crimes" is a bigoted statement.

Are you open to the possibility that it may be a little more complex than that?


The statement isn't concerned with the "why" of the criminal behavior. Unless you are prepared to argue that there are a HUGE amount of false convictions, the statement is true and is not in need of further context.


What exactly do you think is the logical inconsistency here?


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And of course it's direct evidence that this wasn't strictly about the flag or anthem for MANY of the booers.
You don't know this to be true.

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They're likely totally in favor of all protests that are totally out of sight and out of mind.
You don't know this to be true.

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And of course it's direct evidence that this wasn't strictly about the flag or anthem for MANY of the booers.
You don't know this to be true.
What reason is there to boo the players who are totally respecting the flag and anthem according to the standards of those who talk the most about disrespect for the flag and anthem?

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They're likely totally in favor of all protests that are totally out of sight and out of mind.
You don't know this to be true.
Agreed, I don't know if they're opposed to all protests in general or just the ones they happen to see. You didn't seem to care for the former takeaway.


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