Wasn't sure where to put this, but it's a pretty interesting conversation with Killer Mike and Bill Maher regarding gun control. It touches on the racial aspect of law enforcement and the history of gun laws affecting African-Americans.

https://youtu.be/ug3Xts0ZLUw

But the officers were close to him for MINUTES while seeing his hands, how could the fear that he will produce a weapon from his pockets be reasonable? Those cops must have been trying to goad the suspect into shooting them, right Nas?

It's also worth noting that the guy in BRogue's video had three felony priors and was out on bond on an attempted murder charge. Bond. For attempted murder. Oh the injustice.

So Nas, can we agree that despite seeing his hands at some points, the officers in the Sterling Brown video made a reasonable, lawful request for Brown to remove his hands from his pockets?

You seem rather confused as to what an ad hom and what we were arguing over. Any insult is not equivalent to an ad hom.

In the first thread you defended Shapiro as someone worth taking seriously as an intellectual and extending charity towards, and I posted a bunch of reasons why I thought he wasn't a particularly deep thinker and how he most certainly doesn't extend the very discourse norms and charity you want extended to him to his own political opponents. In the second thread, I made a narrow point about Peterson being just as much of an obscurantist as the people he complains the most about, and that evidently triggered you to such an extent that you now had to mention me in a thread I wasn't even participating in.

In neither case were you saying Peterson or Shapiro made a rather good point about X and I responded that actually that point is bad simply because it was made by Shapiro or Peterson. That is what an ad hom dismissal would be, and one reason nothing like that has transpired is because you've still been unable to articulate anything Shapiro or Peterson have been particularly insightful about. You've just been whining about me daring to say negative things about them.

I'm a big dumb shitlib baby

BigFan had an awesome reaction to killer mike being interviewed on CNN


IM SUPPOSED TO LISTEN TO "KILLER MIKE, ABOUT VIOLENCE???? LOL

I'm a big dumb shitlib baby

I agree that you made a narrow point. That's what you do. Jordan Peterson could be arguing that cancer was bad, and you'd say "Yeah, but he's a dummy dum dum who no one should take seriously!!!!"

And let's be honest... you were arguing in the first thread that not allowing Shapiro to speak at Berkeley wasn't a big deal because he "shouldn't be taken seriously."

He was referring to our favorite neighborhood watchman who gets a kick out of saying racist things since he was acquitted for stalking a kid and killing him when the kid started to kick his adult ass.

So Nas, can we agree that despite seeing his hands at some points, the officers in the Sterling Brown video made a reasonable, lawful request for Brown to remove his hands from his pockets?

I don't know the circumstances of the video Rogue posted. All I saw was a cop getting shot and then I acknowledged that my take was wrong. Your own personal pettiness and ignorance likely explains the rest of your post.

See now this is far closer to an ad hom than anything I've said. If at any point you'd like to make an actual argument about whether Peterson does or does not utilize abstruse language, feel free to do so. Otherwise, "you're basically just putting your fingers in your ears and throwing a fit."


I said in my estimation he's a lot closer to Milo or a Fox News clown whose entire purpose is to incite a reaction than a deep thinker being silenced by those no good students while making totally good faith arguments. I didn't mention anything about Berkeley at all IIRC.

I'm a big dumb shitlib baby

I don't find it reasonable. It's January in Milwaukee, he wasn't threatening in even the slightest way, wasn't impaired, and had already shown his hands to them.

I assume it is lawful, they can lawfully give a lot of orders that show them to be scumbags.

I don't find it reasonable. It's January in Milwaukee, he wasn't threatening in even the slightest way, wasn't impaired, and had already shown his hands to them.

I assume it is lawful, they can lawfully give a lot of orders that show them to be scumbags.

Didn't mean for the second part of the post of mine you just quoted to come off as being aimed at you. I just googled the guy's name after watching what parts of the video I could and found those reports. Bond for attempted murder just floored me. But what ignorance of mine are you referring to?

You mean that fat Latino? Half-kidding. (I guess Zimmerman was half white, too. Not trying to be funny.)

Killer Mike is one of those people who, when I hear him speak, I often think "Wow, that's persuasive--he's right!" and "Wait a sec . . . I'm getting off the train right here."

You'd think a major daily would offer him a column.

See now this is far closer to an ad hom than anything I've said. If at any point you'd like to make an actual argument about whether Peterson does or does not utilize abstruse language, feel free to do so. Otherwise, "you're basically just putting your fingers in your ears and throwing a fit."


I said in my estimation he's a lot closer to Milo or a Fox News clown whose entire purpose is to incite a reaction than a deep thinker being silenced by those no good students while making totally good faith arguments. I didn't mention anything about Berkeley at all IIRC.

This is going to reach a head pretty soon.

Being half Latino was used as a defense by him during his trial too.

I think we'll see more of (Killer Mike) going forward and despite him being a Berniebro I find it refreshing that he's challenging some of the liberal ways of solving problems.

I'm a big dumb shitlib baby

It was the most outrageous way to bust up a fight that I had ever seen. I'd been a rookie cop ten days when my partner got the call. At two a.m. we were dispatched to break up a nasty domestic dispute in a tenement on the east side of Emporia, Kansas, notorious for drug dealing and random violence.

We could hear the couple's vicious, mouth-to-mouth combat from the street. My training sargent and partner, Bruce Fair, and I approached and peeked through the half open door. Then Bruce just walked in without bothering to knock. I watched as he strode right past the warring couple, took off his uniform cap, sighed, and planted himself on the couch, Ignoring the argument, he picked up a newspaper and thumbed through the classifieds!

Leaning against the door with my hand on the butt of my .357, I was flabbergasted. Bruce seemed to violate all the rules of police procedure. I had never seen him entering a house without identifying himself, without asking permission, or without at least saying why he was there. There he was treating an angry couple in a tenement apartment as if he were a visiting uncle.

Bruce kept reading and the couple kept arguing, occasionally glancing at the cop on their couch. They had yet to notice me. As the man cursed his wife, Bruce rattled the newspaper. "Folks. Folks! Excuse me! Over here!"

The stunned husband flashed a double take. "What are you doing here?"

Bruce said, "You got a phone? Look here. A 1950 Dodge! Cherry condition! Can I borrow your phone? I know its late but I don't want to miss out on this. Where's your phone? I need to call right now!"

The husband pointed at the phone, incredulous. Bruce rose and dialed, then mumbled into the phone. He slammed it down, "Can you believe they wouldn't talk to be because its two in the morning?"

By now the fight had evaporated, the couple standing there as dumbfounded as I was. "By the way," Bruce said pleasantly, as if just becoming aware, "Is anything the matter here? Anything my partner and I can do for you?"

The husband and wife looked at the floor and shook their heads. "Not really , no." We chatted with them a bit, reminding them that it was late and that everyone around would appreciate a little peace and quiet. Soon we were on our way.

Then I was really puzzled. Earlier that night we had broken up a similar dispute in the classic cop fashion. We quickly took control with police authority, performed what's known as a "separate and suture" (where warring parties are separated, calmed, and then brought back together), and diffused the situation. That was the way I had been trained, so what was this new twist?

I mean, as a former English professor who had taught Milton and Shakespeare for ten years, I'd seen some ingenious twists of plot. But a cop taming two animals by intruding as a rude but friendly guest? Bruce had forced those people to play host to him whether or not they wanted to.

As soon as we were back in the squad car I asked him, "What in the world was that all about? Why did we separate and suture earlier and pull this crazy newspaper-and-telephone gag just now?"

He shrugged. "I don't know. I've been on the street more'n ten years. You just learn."

There is not a damned thing wrong with people who are bull shitters.

He’s apparently suing Milwaukee PD “Milwaukee Bucks rookie Sterling Brown filed a federal civil rights suit Tuesday against the Milwaukee Police Department and the city, claiming wrongful arrest and excessive force during an altercation outside a Walgreens store.”

Good luck with that champ

“I hope JR Smith double parks in Walgreens handicap Parkin spots when he’s in Milwaukee!” Andrade wrote in another post months later

The future holds the possibility to be great or terrible, and since it has not yet occurred it remains simultaneously both.

I, too, wish him luck.


lol

https://thinkprogress.org/sterling-brow ... a63aa71e3/

Yikes.

The menstrual cycle changes among Hassidic Jewish women was something as well.

The justification narrative they settle on omits several facts evident from the videos, the suit says, especially that police had “observed Mr. Brown for many minutes while his hands were in and out of his pockets and that Mr. Brown was actually attempting to remove his hands from his pockets after [officers] initiated their scheme to use excessive force against him.”

No one’s going to read that, problem averted.

There is not a damned thing wrong with people who are bull shitters.

More "Cops can't lawfully order someone to take their hands out of their pockets after they've seen you with your hands in and out of your pockets for MANY minutes, that proves you don't have a weapon" lunacy.

This kind of shit is dangerous because people are going to read it and think that's actually true.

Weird, I see Dolphin looking in my asshole

More "Cops can't lawfully order someone to take their hands out of their pockets after they've seen you with your hands in and out of your pockets for MANY minutes, that proves you don't have a weapon" lunacy.

This kind of shit is dangerous because people are going to read it and think that's actually true.

More "Cops can't lawfully order someone to take their hands out of their pockets after they've seen you with your hands in and out of your pockets for MANY minutes, that proves you don't have a weapon" lunacy.

This kind of shit is dangerous because people are going to read it and think that's actually true.

The menstrual cycle changes among Hassidic Jewish women was something as well.

Yep.

The future holds the possibility to be great or terrible, and since it has not yet occurred it remains simultaneously both.