I remember some years back -right around Kobe winning without Shaq I think- people were using these same types of arguments to try and justify Kobe surpassing MJ. 'If you look at this stat on this pie chart comparing them at this exact same point in their careers you'll notice that Kobe.. blah blah blah'


lol


Fast forward to now, and almost no one brings up Kobe being greater than Jordan. Some years from now almost no ones going to be bringing up LBJ for this either. But MJ's name will still be getting brought up because he is the greatest, and the next great player after LBJ is long gone is going to be getting compared to Mike too.


Rinse. Repeat.


MJ is the greatest player to ever touch a round ball as of right now. And he'll still be considered by most to be the greatest to ever do it when the next Johnny Come Lately shows up and impresses all the math nerds with some never before heard of metric stat that can be tailored to make him seem like something he isn't.

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You're entitled to your opinion, but effective field goal % isn't some rogue, convenient stat. It's their shooting percentage adjusted to account for threes. Very good way to measure efficiency.

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The only efficiency stat I need is 6/6 in NBA finals and 6 finals MVPs. By my math that is 100%.

So how many posts before we get to the Iverson crossover gif?



Asking for a friend..

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Yep.

Can you imagine Lebron trying his floppy shit against the Pistons or Knicks?

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I don't like that one. Jordan was old, and Iverson was young and spry.

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The irony here is that I have been a maniacal Jordan fan my whole life.

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lol


I was in this discussion on SD a few weeks back and that was one of the posters go to's immediately. We were arguing Kobe Vs Jordan tho.


Let's see what else do we have.. the Starks dunk, 'Gary Payton shut down Jordan in the finals and Seattle would have beaten the Bulls if they would have gone with that match up earlier in the series'..

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I find your takes odd on here. You keep maintaining you still as of now think Jordan was better but all you do is argue the LeBron side.

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You still are bud. I know it.

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It's because I hate you.

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He's just giving you a go FF. Such is life on a message board my friend.

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Have not read the thread but the answer is Jordan hands down.

The man was an assassin.

It's a shame MJ came back to play for the Wiz at the end of his career after he had been away from the game for a while. I feel like prior to that MJ was never seen as a mortal in the sports world. Then he shows up in a blue uniform out of shape and slow and allows the world to see him play the game again as just a guy.


I have always wondered how different these discussions are if the last known image of MJ is in a Bulls uniform hitting a pull up jumper in the finals for the game winning shot..

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I wonder what their respective usage rates happened to be at 33 years old. I'm sure Jordan's was probably lower at that point.

Lebron rarely separates himself from other great players when matched up against them. Durant (who actually outplayed him during the finals) being the latest. Kawhi Leonard, Paul George, Paul Pierce during those battles against Boston all either played him to a standstill or slightly outplayed him.

Lebron has a little bumslayer aspect about him too.

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@NME

I understand what you're saying, and it definitely didn't fit with the storybook career, but his time with the Wiz actually made me more impressed. He was still one of the top 10 scorers as he neared 40, and he did it against a younger, different generation of players. He was slow, though. All his points came in halfcourt setups.

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I don't understand. His effective field goal percentage is higher because he takes more 3s. It's why Kerr has a much higher one too along with like 100 other players.

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One of my all time favorite commcercials was around that time featuring old MJ vs Young MJ. “You reach, I teach.” Think it was a Gatorade commercial.

Kinda silly tho that they implied old MJ would win.

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Regardless of allegiances, what Lebron is doing physically right now is incredible. He's still doing things he did when he was 24. He's almost getting better with age after15 grueling seasons.

He might be the career playoff leader in points, rebounds, and assists by the time he's done.

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Oh this is just a troll job. How old do you think he is?

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Repeatedly going to game 7s against shittier teams tends to help the counting stats.

But yeah he’s great.

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Uh... only if you MAKE a lot of those threes.

His regular FG % is way higher too.

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LeBron doesn't have a remarkably higher percentage from 3 especially since he plays in an era where it's much more prevalent and everyone seems much better at it. Just go look at the list of effective field goal percentage leaders. You'll see it really isn't a good metric outside of single seasons and you still have some unfortunate conclusions with players who played at the same time as MJ.

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at 33 the case for James is better. Jordan was in decline at that point though he was still the best player in the league.


Jordan in his prime was simply better.

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I think we can agree on that. Jordan didn't have near the athleticism at this age.

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I knew Lebron haters would twist everything to suit their argument, but I never imagined you would seriously argue that 2 is more than 3.

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I'm going to bounce from the spot for awhile but I will be back at some point to argue with you about this hoops stuff again. Playoffs have been great this season. See ya up the road.

I'm out.

22 games where he was facing elimination?

Loser.

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22 games coming out of the weakest conference in the NBA, some of those years on a super team lmao

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