On reviewing Isiah's record as a GM I have to say he's not a very good judge of talent [/quote]


Considering that you think that Ben Simmons is the same player as Yogi Ferrell then neither are you.[/quote]
and you think Ben no shot Simmons is Magic.....Yogi made 133 more 3 pointers than Ben[/quote]


Magic couldn't really shoot either and apparently 3 point shooting is so important to you yet you are bitching about Stevens allowing Rozier to take so many 3's[/quote]
3's are good when you make them and you have to take more than 3 in a year [/quote]

Whether he makes 3's or not he is still a much better player than Yogi Ferrell. If you can find any player comp. scouting that compares the 2 players then i'd be shocked.

You also can be a great player without being a 3 point shooter. For some reason this eludes you. Shooting 3's isn't a requirement for guys that are 6'10 and the fact that he can't or won't shoot them will not keep him out of All Star games.

Will Yogi Ferrell ever make an All Star game? Will he even start for Dallas next season?

You don't have to take more or make more than 3 in a year.

How many did Shaq make for his career? what about Rodman?[/quote]
where you been the name of the NBA today is 3 point shot ...see Steph Currry[/quote]

No player in the NBA is good unless they shoot 3 pointers?

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Considering that you think that Ben Simmons is the same player as Yogi Ferrell then neither are you.[/quote]
and you think Ben no shot Simmons is Magic.....Yogi made 133 more 3 pointers than Ben[/quote]


Magic couldn't really shoot either and apparently 3 point shooting is so important to you yet you are bitching about Stevens allowing Rozier to take so many 3's[/quote]
3's are good when you make them and you have to take more than 3 in a year [/quote]

Whether he makes 3's or not he is still a much better player than Yogi Ferrell. If you can find any player comp. scouting that compares the 2 players then i'd be shocked.

You also can be a great player without being a 3 point shooter. For some reason this eludes you. Shooting 3's isn't a requirement for guys that are 6'10 and the fact that he can't or won't shoot them will not keep him out of All Star games.

Will Yogi Ferrell ever make an All Star game? Will he even start for Dallas next season?

You don't have to take more or make more than 3 in a year.

How many did Shaq make for his career? what about Rodman?[/quote]
where you been the name of the NBA today is 3 point shot ...see Steph Currry[/quote]

No player in the NBA is good unless they shoot 3 pointers?[/quote]


So no player is good in the NBA unless they shoot 3 pointers?

Even without shooting 3's he is a much better player than Yogi Ferrell.

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and you think Ben no shot Simmons is Magic.....Yogi made 133 more 3 pointers than Ben[/quote]


Magic couldn't really shoot either and apparently 3 point shooting is so important to you yet you are bitching about Stevens allowing Rozier to take so many 3's[/quote]
3's are good when you make them and you have to take more than 3 in a year [/quote]

Whether he makes 3's or not he is still a much better player than Yogi Ferrell. If you can find any player comp. scouting that compares the 2 players then i'd be shocked.

You also can be a great player without being a 3 point shooter. For some reason this eludes you. Shooting 3's isn't a requirement for guys that are 6'10 and the fact that he can't or won't shoot them will not keep him out of All Star games.

Will Yogi Ferrell ever make an All Star game? Will he even start for Dallas next season?

You don't have to take more or make more than 3 in a year.

How many did Shaq make for his career? what about Rodman?[/quote]
where you been the name of the NBA today is 3 point shot ...see Steph Currry[/quote]

No player in the NBA is good unless they shoot 3 pointers?[/quote]


So no player is good in the NBA unless they shoot 3 pointers?

Even without shooting 3's he is a much better player than Yogi Ferrell.[/quote]
Pump the brakes here Chief...Simmons has NO outside shots and can't shot free throws ......Shaq didn't need to shoot outside and Rodman rebounded and played d a top 50 player no

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I'm going to bounce from the spot for awhile but I will be back at some point to argue with you about this hoops stuff again. Playoffs have been great this season. See ya up the road.

I'm out.

So is Ben Simmons good, a bum or simply average? Lets cut to the chase. Or very good?

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I have to see more than one year to tell you were I'll rate him....after one year you had M jeff ass the GOAT?

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I'm going to bounce from the spot for awhile but I will be back at some point to argue with you about this hoops stuff again. Playoffs have been great this season. See ya up the road.

I'm out.

You seem to be leaning towards bum if you are comparing him to Yogi Ferrell.
And you keep focusing on 3's. He doesn't have to be Steph Curry. Giannis doesn't really shoor them either and Golden State would take him straight up for Curry right now.

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you didn't even read what I wrote

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I'm going to bounce from the spot for awhile but I will be back at some point to argue with you about this hoops stuff again. Playoffs have been great this season. See ya up the road.

I'm out.

A 33-year-old MJ would not take this team to the ECF. A younger MJ? Yes. Some of you guys are my favorites, but your Jordan love has made you delusional.

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This argument is making you delusional. Replace LeBron with 33 year old MJ and yes I believe the Cavs are in the Finals still.

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I feel like I'm on some really solid ground now.

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Yeah 33 year old MJ couldn't do this.

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Just a bad take. He led the league in scoring, top 5 DPOY, all nba defensive first team, MVP of the league at 33.

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You’re not.

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Now you are really out to lunch. Jordan was 33 in 1995 and one month removed from a two year retirement when he nearly defeated the Orlando Magic. They were a much better team than any of the teams in this year's playoffs.


I understand the Bulls had Pippen but that Bulls team wasn't really all that talented minus Jordan.

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It was almost the exact same roster from the prior year, when they were one foul away from making the ECF WITHOUT Jordan. Just trade Harper for Grant and it's the exact same team. And they didn't beat Orlando. Or are we now saying that being close is the same as as actually winning? Because you guys have been bagging on Lebron for being "close" for years now.

Jordan was still the best scorer in the league the following year, but he was not as good as Lebron at 33. Ill take it a step further and say he wasn't really even close.

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I watched all 82 of those games. The defensive awards granted to him were legacy votes. He was much older and slower. Still smart, but not the same guy he was years earlier.

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I wasn't a big Ho Grant fan but he was a better player than Harper at that point. Their record had tapered off from the previous year too which validates my point.


The Orlando Magic were a much better team than anyone in this year's playoffs and Jordan was also obviously rusty.

They still managed to win a series and Take Orlando to 6. Jordan also single handidly made them a contending team simply by coming out of retirement.

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Their record tapered off when Jordan played a quarter of the games? I think that helps my argument.

This nonsense of comparing teams across eras makes no sense. The Magic might have been awful today.

Saying Jordan "single-handedly made them a contending team" doesn't hold up to scrutiny since they made it no farther than the prior year. Technically, they didn't even make it as far.

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No they were considered a first round knockout and they took the team that went to the Finals to 6 games in their toughest matchup. They had a much worse record from the previous season and Jordan only played in 18 games.


Orlando was also a much better team than anyone else in this year's playoffs and the seeding was bad due to their Pre Jordan record. Bulls were considered the only serious challenger to Orlando after Jordan's return.

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It seems like blacks have a bigger stake in the greatness of LeBron than that of Jordan, who arguably belonged to the whole world.

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I watched most of them. You’re wrong. Those votes were well earned and he was still dominant. Saying him at that age isn’t close to the current version of LeBron is just idiotic and one of those hyperbolic statements you always criticize.

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Jordan was actually 33 during the 95-96 season. He wasn't asked to do half of what Lebron is. Pippen was the distributor. They had FOUR all-nba Defensive players, including 3 who were first team. They had the 6th man of the year (Kukoc). They had one of the greatest shooters ever (Kerr). They had a guy who many consider to be the greatest coach ever. Are you really gonna sit there and tell me Jordan's job was even half as hard as Lebron's? He runs an iso or a pick and roll EVERY time downcourt. It's not comparable, and Jordan wasn't asked to do anything close to what Lebron does.

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Now you’re changing the argument to suit your needs. Nobody’s saying Jordan’s team wasn’t far better. We’re talking about the individual comparison of LeBron at the time vs Jordan at the time. You’re entitled to your opinion but all the objective data we have points to you being wrong on it not being close and I still think it’s funny that your original involvement in this argument was you criticizing me saying it wasn’t close.

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Also, part of the reason he has to do so much offensively is because he does so little defensively nowadays. There’s been numerous articles written on that this year. Jordan would’ve made a much bigger defensive impact on this Cavs team.

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I love you more than words can tell
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Leash will and always be my guy, but his Jordan/Bulls "treason" is just tough to stomach. I got tears running down my face and feel nauseous from reading it. Lord forgive him, he knows not what he does.

And I'm the gay one?

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I honor Jordan by playing 2K with the 96 Bulls and beating the shit out of these kids today.

What do you do to honor Mike, BOB?!

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