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PostPosted: Wed May 30, 2018 2:19 pm 
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Feet are the most important tool a SS has and Timmy has great feet. Maybe the best feet in the league (though that Lindor fella is pretty good) and you can't teach feet.

Feet leads to the hands, hands lead to the arm. 1.Feet 2. hands 3. arm. Hands and arm don't do any good if the feet can't get in position to field the ball.

Timmy is getting better everyday and he will continue to get better.
That you continue to use smoke and mirrors to build up 'Timmay' as some great, All Star caliber player is quite a feat.

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That you continue to be a relentless Caller Bob on a stupid message board is a bigger feet (see what i did there). Get a life. No one cares.


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:lol: Timmay with a terrible throw there.

Maybe Keyser can break down his footwork.

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Anderson doesn't have to be a world beater on defense.

Hell, be Juan Uribe and commit 16-18 error per year.

But he has a way to go before he can be Uribe.

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What other position options are there for Anderson? Has he had any time in the OF?

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What other position options are there for Anderson? Has he had any time in the OF?


I think he's always been at short.

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What other position options are there for Anderson? Has he had any time in the OF?



I don't think he can give you enough offense to put him on a corner. He'd have to play center. I'm sure he could.

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What other position options are there for Anderson? Has he had any time in the OF?



I don't think he can give you enough offense to put him on a corner. He'd have to play center. I'm sure he could.


Would he be better at 2B?

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Probably, but then where does Moncada move to?

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If they move him to another spot is there an upcoming SS to take over for him? Or will they need to acquire one via trade or FA

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Keyser Soze wrote:
Feet are the most important tool a SS has and Timmy has great feet. Maybe the best feet in the league (though that Lindor fella is pretty good) and you can't teach feet.

Feet leads to the hands, hands lead to the arm. 1.Feet 2. hands 3. arm. Hands and arm don't do any good if the feet can't get in position to field the ball.

Timmy is getting better everyday and he will continue to get better.

His defense is not getting better. It’s getting worse.

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Anderson doesn't have to be a world beater on defense.

Hell, be Juan Uribe and commit 16-18 error per year.

But he has a way to go before he can be Uribe.


Uribe was the best defensive shortstop in the league for a couple of years. If Anderson can get on base at a .330 or so rate with his power and speed, he would be top tier offensive player for his position. I don't trust he can get there defensively, but as Jorr noted with shifts and the emphasis of power over putting the ball in play- maybe the importance of the position will lessen enough for him to be effective.

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WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
Terry's Peeps wrote:
Anderson doesn't have to be a world beater on defense.

Hell, be Juan Uribe and commit 16-18 error per year.

But he has a way to go before he can be Uribe.


Uribe was the best defensive shortstop in the league for a couple of years. If Anderson can get on base at a .330 or so rate with his power and speed, he would be top tier offensive player for his position. I don't trust he can get their defensively, but as Jorr noted with shifts and the emphasis of power over putting the ball in play- maybe the importance of the position will lessen enough for him to be effective.


Id take the 16-18 errors per year and call it a win if he gets on base and hits like you said.

The problem is when he's making 20+ errors like last year (and on pace to this year).

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Terry's Peeps wrote:
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Terry's Peeps wrote:
Anderson doesn't have to be a world beater on defense.

Hell, be Juan Uribe and commit 16-18 error per year.

But he has a way to go before he can be Uribe.


Uribe was the best defensive shortstop in the league for a couple of years. If Anderson can get on base at a .330 or so rate with his power and speed, he would be top tier offensive player for his position. I don't trust he can get their defensively, but as Jorr noted with shifts and the emphasis of power over putting the ball in play- maybe the importance of the position will lessen enough for him to be effective.


Id take the 16-18 errors per year and call it a win if he gets on base and hits like you said.

The problem is when he's making 20+ errors like last year (and on pace to this year).

If he showed any signs of improving, I'd be satisfied.


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Dane Dunning threw the shit out of it. 7 IP 5 H 1 ER 0 BB 9 K

Zack Collins was 2-4 2B R 2 RBI


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Zack Collins is killing it offensively. But he’s only throwing out 25% of runners on SB attempts (34 SB vs 13 CS), and 7 passed balls seems kind of high. No idea about his pitch framing. We probably won’t see him until late 2019, and that’s assuming he can get his shit together behind the plate. But god damn, a 25% walk rate for a catcher?

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I'm not sure that matters so much this year. Most of the Sox pitchers are giving up home runs and doubles, so stolen bases isn't really an issue.

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Apparently Ozzie Guillen said he could fix Tim Anderson's defensive problems this morning on his spot with the Mully and Hanley. Anyone hear it?

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I read over at soxtalk that fangraphs has him ranked as the twelfth best defensive and tenth best offensive shortstop in MLB right now.

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Apparently Ozzie Guillen said he could fix Tim Anderson's defensive problems this morning on his spot with the Mully and Hanley. Anyone hear it?



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I read over at soxtalk that fangraphs has him ranked as the twelfth best defensive and tenth best offensive shortstop in MLB right now.

but....but....but....ERRORS!!! :lol:


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I guess errors don't matter as long as the footwork is amazing! :roll:

Feet to arms, arms to hands, hands to ball, ball to 1st base dugout.

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25% CS is decent. 25% would put him 10th in MLB. Narvaez has 8 PB to lead the league.


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I guess errors don't matter as long as the footwork is amazing! :roll:

Feet to arms, arms to hands, hands to ball, ball to 1st base dugout.


He's developing. 4th in RF, 5th in assists, and 5th in DP turned last year. And he sucked last year. Why so impatient with a developing SS on a team going nowhere?


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25% CS is decent. 25% would put him 10th in MLB. Narvaez has 8 PB to lead the league.


It looks like 25% would be good enough for 18th overall and 10th in the AL. But you make a good point, I think I need to adjust my standards a bit.

It looks like teams are eager to run on Collins, though. He’s caught in 27 games and teams have attempted nearly 50 steals with a 75% success rate. And then you add in 7 passed balls.

Successful SB generates 0.25 runs
CS costs 0.5 runs

So given a sample size of 100 SB attempts and a 25% CS rate, Zack would be 6.25 runs in the negative.

33% is the break-even point. Hopefully, he has that type of upside.

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I saw a box score where a team attempted to steal 5 times while Ian Clarkin was pitching (he went 5 innings) and were successful in 4 of those attempts. They didn't attempt a steal the other 4 innings on two different pitchers.

Stealing bases is more on the pitcher than it is on the catcher.


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I saw a box score where a team attempted to steal 5 times while Ian Clarkin was pitching (he went 5 innings) and were successful in 4 of those attempts. They didn't attempt a steal the other 4 innings on two different pitchers.

Stealing bases is more on the pitcher than it is on the catcher.


But it seems like there are plenty of catchers who are perpetually in the 20-25% range, no matter what. Lucroy, Pierzynski, etc. I’d have to do more research.

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https://www.baseballamerica.com/stories ... the-steal/

Watch The Pitcher

In general, though, when you watch a runner dust himself off after stealing second, you may want to cut the catcher some slack. You may think that the mano y mano battle is the basestealer vs. the catcher, but the guy stealing the base knows differently.

"It has nothing to do with the catcher," said Blue Jays outfielder Anthony Gose, who finished second in the minors last year with 77 stolen bases. "It's on the pitcher and his times."


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