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:lol: Pretty sure saying that you are a few hamburgers short of a picnic is a factual statement as well.

If you're going to go back and quote everything in this thread, quote the times where you curse and attack me. At least be fair about it.

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Saying your opinions are not facts is not an attack, LTG.

However, you saying that I am the "dimmest bulb posting here" is a personal attack.

Disagree when said statement is also factual

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LTG prefers arguing nonsense and statements that are simply not true. It's my fault for even engaging him again.


2nd personal attack. I still haven't leveled one yet for the record. First two pages


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Who gives a fuck about chronology dumbass? Show that you have a functioning brain for once. Actually demonstrate that you have pedagogical capacity and stop with sophomoric internet bullshit.

Is reading that difficult "lights out"?
Now HERE is a personal attack, LTG. And this is you directing a post towards me.

This is why I am calling you a liar. I am not attacking you, while you are repeatedly attacking me.

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15 million viewers for a Game 7 matchup between G.S.-Houston. Why oh why are they talking NBA? No one cares about it.

https://www.nba.com/article/2018/05/29/ ... tv-history

18 mil at its peak.

That's less average than a blowout NCAA championship game that was down 30 percent because the game wasn't interesting.



So now we are comparing it to the championship game? I Predict That the NBA Finals will outdraw the NCAA championship game. I Also Predict that it will be uninteresting.

What say you?

You do realize that the championship game only outdrew the CFs by a mere 1 million viewers.

Something that everyone loves outdrew something that no one loves by 1 million viewers. Interesting.

The NBA finals are on network tv. This was the same cable channel.



But you are comparing the CFs to a championship telecast.



this idiotic discussion started off as off-season out of market star NFL player news vs. in season NBA news..... yet now you are celebrating NBA conference finals ratings and wailing against a "nobody wants NBA talk" strawman. you are delusional, and yes i remain impressed by your delusion.


Here comes another personal attack. Though what I posted was factual. Couldn't address the info had to introduce the old standby "strawmen" Now here comes the herd as the floodgates have been opened. Ass Kissing Lying Notes has already entered the fray so I will reintroduce him later.

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The We Believe Warriors with Baron Davis and Stephen Jackson (team that upset Dallas in the playoffs) had a fanbase that was much different than that of today. It is evidenced by the cheap ticket prices that they had.

This part actually is true but the Bay Area in general was a different place as recently as 2007. San Francisco was still a year or few off from really blowing up.

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15 million viewers for a Game 7 matchup between G.S.-Houston. Why oh why are they talking NBA? No one cares about it.

https://www.nba.com/article/2018/05/29/ ... tv-history

18 mil at its peak.


I guess you make straw men on the side to supplement your goalpost moving business.

Nobody is saying that nobody cares about the NBA. This whole line aof arguing across multiple threads started because YOU pitched a fit that the NFL was being discussed in March instead of the NBA on chicago sports radio.

You asked how it could possibly be so that radio programmers see off-season NFL discussion as more compelling to their listeners than an out of town NBA matchup as the season winds down. I provided you a plausible explanation in this thread, and your only resort is to call names.

You're a trash poster and human being.


He has been effectively reintroduced.

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This is what idiots like you don't realize. I didn't actually start this discussion.
Who started this thread?

Who started the thread linked below?
viewtopic.php?f=128&t=111647

I'll give you a hint. The same idiot started both of them.



That idiot is you. Deal with it.


Liar. I actually took my cues over the past 2 years of NBA bashing. I actually posted the link in here somewhere. Will do it again. See Frank I could called you on a lot of this stuff but I really didn't care too because I was actually trying to keep it civil. The Masterbaiter bullshit was all tied to this. There is more lots more.

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National-level, off-season discussion of the NFL will engage with NFL fans at some unknown rate, let's call it X.

National-level, in-season discussion of the NBA will engage with NBA fans at some unknown rate, let's call it Y.

Let's call the total number of NFL fans in the coverage area of WSCR's signal (the original station that touched off the controversy here) X'.

Let's call the total number of NBA fans in the coverage area of WSCR's signal Y'.

In order for the premise "National NBA talk is more appealing/compelling in March than off-season national NFL talk" to be true, the following must be true:

Y*Y' > X*X'

Let's pick some figures for X and Y, just for fun. I'll say that 40% of NFL fans will find off-season, national-level discussion of the league to be interesting/compelling, and I'll also say that 80% of NBA fans find in-season, national-level NBA discussion to be the same. That means 2 out of every 5 NFL fans want to hear about Odell Beckham in March, whereas 4 out of every 5 NBA fans would like to hear about any out-of-town NBA matchup in March. I'd say that's fair, if not shaded a little bit towards the NBA's favor.

Let's plug those in, we now have:

0.8*Y' > 0.4*X'

Now we have to approximate the relative size of each sport's respective fandom. I think it would be reasonable to approximate the distribution of fandom in this town based on national distributions of same. There doesn't appear to be a reason for fans in this town to skew away from national trends towards NFL or NBA fandom, at least to me. I also think that regular season tv ratings are the best bet we have at approximating "true" sizes of each fandom, and it also helps that TV ratings have been discussed a lot for each league in this thread. in the 2017-2018 season, the NBA averaged 1.4 million viewers on national telecasts this year. The NFL for the same time frame averaged 14.9 million viewers per game. Let's call it 1.5 and 15 for each respective league a ratio of NFL to NBA fandom of 10:1.

But that's not entirely fair: The NBA has a much longer season than the NFL. Let's express "total viewership" instead. With the 1.5 million viewership average of the NBA, with 30 teams playing an 82 game season, that results in 1230 individual games played. As a fudge factor, we will assume that all NBA games get their national broadcast viewership, resulting in 1.845 billion views of a regular NBA season. The NFL has 32 teams playing a 16 game season, for 256 discreet matchups, resulting in 3.84 billion views per regular NFL season. The average NFL season viewership is a little more than twice the size of the average NBA season viewership. Let's call it 2:1, NFL to NBA. Let's plug and chug:

0.8*1.845 > 0.4*3.84

1.476 > 1.536?

Hmm, something isn't right with our original premise, because the figures used, the ones heavily slated towards the NBA (remember, each NBA regular season matchup got its national broadcast equivalent viewership, while the NFL just got the actual average rating for each game), give us an absurd result.

Given these figures, I would bet good money that the sheer size of NFL fandom makes off-season NFL discussion, even at a national level, more compelling to a greater number of listeners than does regular season, national-level, NBA discussion.


This condescending asshole actually thought he was insulting someone's intelligence with this bullshit. There are a lot of commas and run on sentences in that piece of bullshit drivel by the way. From a guy that fashions himself as an intellectual. Nathaniel Hawthorne he is not.

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Great thread until JLN tried to introduce calculus or some shit.

Correctomundo

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Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
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Billypootons dominated this thread.


Great thread until JLN tried to introduce calculus or some shit.


IT WAS BASIC ALGEBRA! Which according to LTG, was invented by Shakespeare.



Well we know that you didn't invent basic law now don't we.


Invent basic law? That's a pretty terrible attempt at a dig.


Did you miss the time he attempted to razz me for not being as popular as LeBron James?

Liar. did you catch that Frank. He is a liar. This should offend you.

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This condescending asshole actually thought he was insulting someone's intelligence with this bullshit. There are a lot of commas and run on sentences in that piece of bullshit drivel by the way. From a guy that fashions himself as an intellectual. Nathaniel Hawthorne he is not.


He's not? I thought he was. Nathaniel Hawthorne was always going on and on about demographics and statistics.

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Here comes the Brick! Here Comes the Brick! Here comes the requisite spin job that he brings to every discussion. Ain't gone fly guy. Love the way the NCAA championship game was referred to as the very generalized "college basketball". If I use the highest rated game of the NBA finals what do you think it would do to "College Basketball"?
In 2017, the CBB championship game averaged 23 million viewers on cable. Game 5 of the NBA finals averaged 24.5 on ABC. It averaged 20.5 million for the series. That's not a big difference when you talk about cable vs network coverage. When CBB was still on CBS it was beating most NBA Finals games. Anyways, the larger point is that college basketball isn't that important that NFL coverage should be shelved for it even if the NFL is in the off-season.

However, this year I'm sure the NBA Finals will beat the CBB title game but this was an all-time low for CBB given how lopsided the title game was and also it being on cable.

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2ndly i'm not interested in talking about that as that isn't my argument. You can talk to yourself if that is your angle.

It's because it makes your argument about the tv ratings look bad.


i'm not arguing relativity Sir Isaac Newton. You are.


Newton wasn't relativity, he was classical mechanics. Christ don't you have an advanced history degree?



Keep in mind that this is this idiot that some of you have chosen to hitch your wagon to.

The essence of a damn "Pseudo intellectual" if ever one was invented

https://theconversation.com/from-newton ... vity-50013


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Notice how this asshole has no problem with telling people how they think? You wouldn't really want me to tell the world what you really think now would you Lying Notes? I guarantee that it would not be a pretty picture now would it?

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LTG prefers arguing nonsense and statements that are simply not true. It's my fault for even engaging him again.


2nd personal attack. I still haven't leveled one yet for the record. First two pages


You have leveled plenty of personal attacks in this thread.


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Notice how this asshole has no problem with telling people how they think? You wouldn't really want me to tell the world what you really think now would you Lying Notes? I guarantee that it would not be a pretty picture now would it?


167th personal attack.

But please, tell the board what I "really think", the only caveat I would add is that if you make specific allegations, you back them up with specific sources. Have at it.

May I also request permission to post the PM chain we had awhile back, should I deem it necessary? The whole chain, no redactions.


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G.S. is a small market team.

The Bay Area has 8.6 million people, lol


Another falsehood.

http://www.sportsmediawatch.com/nba-mar ... n-ratings/

2.45 million is a long way from 8.

That's the number of households, not the population.

Once again, you are a dolt.

Learn to fucking read before you post


At this point it is Ogie COO of the Bias Brigade time. At no point did I engage any of them first. At no point did I initiate personal attacks. Each time my attack was in response to something that was said to me.

I don't do this shit for sympathy as I could give a flying fuck. I'm silly illustrating how shit often descends into madness because certain people will always invariably make it personal. When it goes there I will go there. If you don't want to go there then stop doing it. If your goal is to run me off you aint going to do it. You look stupid for trying the dumb shit. I will just dig for the purpose of digging in. I don't give a shit so stop because i have proven that I won't.

Now cue the damn mult!

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Who gives a fuck about chronology dumbass? Show that you have a functioning brain for once. Actually demonstrate that you have pedagogical capacity and stop with sophomoric internet bullshit.

Is reading that difficult "lights out"?
Now HERE is a personal attack, LTG. And this is you directing a post towards me.

This is why I am calling you a liar. I am not attacking you, while you are repeatedly attacking me.
Repsond, LTG.

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G.S. is a small market team.

The Bay Area has 8.6 million people, lol


Another falsehood.

http://www.sportsmediawatch.com/nba-mar ... n-ratings/

2.45 million is a long way from 8.

That's the number of households, not the population.

Once again, you are a dolt.

Learn to fucking read before you post


At this point it is Ogie COO of the Bias Brigade time. At no point did I engage any of them first. At no point did I initiate personal attacks. Each time my attack was in response to something that was said to me.

I don't do this shit for sympathy as I could give a flying fuck. I'm silly illustrating how shit often descends into madness because certain people will always invariably make it personal. When it goes there I will go there. If you don't want to go there then stop doing it. If your goal is to run me off you aint going to do it. You look stupid for trying the dumb shit. I will just dig for the purpose of digging in. I don't give a shit so stop because i have proven that I won't.

Now cue the damn mult!

I love how he quotes the post which shows him to be completely illiterate as he couldn't comprehend number of households with a TV vs. population within the market.

but no, we are "biased" for replying with factual data to his nonsense.

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Damn you are an idiot. A damn idiot. That is the only way to describe it.
Respond to this too.

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def. not LTG, too much on the line for him


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At no point did I initiate personal attacks. Each time my attack was in response to something that was said to me.


Unprovoked Personal Attack #1:

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So more than 100% of the number of NFL fans who watch nationally slated games show up for an off-season NFL event?

Thank you for stating exactly why Odell Beckham is discussed in March. Take a seat.



The millionth self congratulatory declaration of an imaginary message board victory. Predictable.

At some point cash in your poker chips. Don't play the Buffet coupon as part of the money you have to gamble with. Actually eat the Buffet meal. Make sure you have enough to satisfy the requirements of the Indiana tollway and simply bring your ass home before you are even more bankrupt than you were before you left for the Casino.


Unprovoked Personal Attack #2:

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Also of note is the difference between the average NFL in-season game and the NFL Draft, 14.9 million and 11 million, respectively. If an off-season NFL event can draw 74% of the eyes that show up for a regular season game, it is likely that off-season talk is more compelling than my conservative 40% figure.

What's more, in 2017 the NFL's strictly national windows (SNF, MNF, TNF) averaged 13.3 million viewers. Now we're looking at the draft drawing 84% of the amount of viewers who show up for national broadcasts. The numbers available really do point to the average NFL fan being very interested in national-level NFL media, regardless of season state. Incorporating even a 70% figure for X in the above calculations results in a tentative Fan Interest Index for the NFL of 2.688, almost double that of the NBA's in-season FII. Even if we assume every NBA fan is interested in consumption of media about the NBA on a national scale (Y=1), a 70% NFL off-season fan interest rate still results in a FII 32% larger than the NBA's.

That is why Chicago sports talk radio talks about Odell Beckham in March over a Jazz-Thunder game the previous night.



This might be one of the dumbest arguments that you have ever attempted to make and that says a lot provided the particular subject. You really aren't particularly bright are you?


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The NBA finals are on network tv. This was the same cable channel.



But you are comparing the CFs to a championship telecast


I'm also not interested in changing the debate (though i know you are) Off season Football vs in season NBA. If you want to debate then counter the mendacious stats provided by Juice's Lying Notes. He'll debate you.



Unprovoked Personal Atack #4:

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Also of note is the difference between the average NFL in-season game and the NFL Draft, 14.9 million and 11 million, respectively. If an off-season NFL event can draw 74% of the eyes that show up for a regular season game, it is likely that off-season talk is more compelling than my conservative 40% figure.

What's more, in 2017 the NFL's strictly national windows (SNF, MNF, TNF) averaged 13.3 million viewers. Now we're looking at the draft drawing 84% of the amount of viewers who show up for national broadcasts. The numbers available really do point to the average NFL fan being very interested in national-level NFL media, regardless of season state. Incorporating even a 70% figure for X in the above calculations results in a tentative Fan Interest Index for the NFL of 2.688, almost double that of the NBA's in-season FII. Even if we assume every NBA fan is interested in consumption of media about the NBA on a national scale (Y=1), a 70% NFL off-season fan interest rate still results in a FII 32% larger than the NBA's.

That is why Chicago sports talk radio talks about Odell Beckham in March over a Jazz-Thunder game the previous night.



This might be one of the dumbest arguments that you have ever attempted to make and that says a lot provided the particular subject. You really aren't particularly bright are you?



You had one incredibly weak retort ("use the average draw of the draft instead of total draw for.....no reason") and now you just have personal attacks and vitriol, despite the tone of the post you quoted being completely neutral.

Do you have anger issues?



Do you actually have common sense? The reason for not using the total draw is because the total draw (you may not have noticed) stretched out over three days. No matter the metric you use you lose. You have no problem talking about a "meaningless regular season game between Milwaukee and Utah" whenever it floats your boat but for some reason you take issue with talking about days 2 and 3 of the draft. Is there any doubt as to whether we'd be arguing this if the numbers were actually in your favor?


First day of the draft 11 million viewers over 6 channels


Second Day 2 Million over 6 channels


Third Day 2 million over 6 channels. Why is it so difficult for you understand? The first day of the draft is the only day that people are really interested in and a Meaningless game between "Utah and Milwaukee" probably will outdraw days 2 and 3.

People actually care about the NBA more during NFL off Season. Get over it. The NBA has about 10 inseason events that outdraw the highest rated event (first day of the NFL draft) during its season and post season. Again get over it.


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This is a war of attrition

Thread of the year material. This is like when LeBron scored 29 straight or whatever to eliminate Detroit. All time performance.

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This is a war of attrition

Thread of the year material. This is like when LeBron scored 29 straight or whatever to eliminate Detroit. All time performance.

25

G.O.A.T.

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Who will run out of steam first ?
This is a war of attrition

Thread of the year material. This is like when LeBron scored 29 straight or whatever to eliminate Detroit. All time performance.

25

G.O.A.T.

Only 25?

I apologize for the insult LTG

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Who will run out of steam first ?
This is a war of attrition

Thread of the year material. This is like when LeBron scored 29 straight or whatever to eliminate Detroit. All time performance.

25

G.O.A.T.

Only 25?

I apologize for the insult LTG


I am use to the proverbial insults of my character. No surprise there. If people want a show, I will give them one without equivocation. No more no less.

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Who will run out of steam first ?
This is a war of attrition

Thread of the year material. This is like when LeBron scored 29 straight or whatever to eliminate Detroit. All time performance.

25

G.O.A.T.

Only 25?

I apologize for the insult LTG


I am use to the proverbial insults of my character. No surprise there. If people want a show, I will give them one without equivocation. No more no less.

Lebron is not viewed as a good basketball player in most circles. He does not stand up to scrutiny. He beat a lot of amateur teams in his time. He is a modern day Stacey Augmon.



https://youtu.be/Rz0-zWiggDo

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I almost got caught by that damn mult again :lol:

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JUST IN: Game 1 of the NBA Finals is NOT a sellout. Warriors still have hundreds of seats left to sell. Almost 300 upper level seats, 100 lower level seats still available on primary market 15 minutes before tip.

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Not over yet.
Yes it is.


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Small market like Oakland won't support them :lol:

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