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"may have a gun" vs "has waved a gun at you"

Whatever he did with the gun did not concern them enough at the time to do anything. It wasn't until he closed the garage that they thought he needed to be killed even though he never fired a single shot.

It's a shame they didn't have a body camera.


There isn't a standing "until fired upon" ROE for cops.

If the hysteria about police violence has gotten to the point where not only will people argue that someone should be able to disobey lawful orders from police without being forcefully arrested, but that an armed person can disobey lawful police orders and shouldn't be shot because "they never even fired a shot", then this is where I depart the movement calling for police reform.


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Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
America wrote:
"may have a gun" vs "has waved a gun at you"

Whatever he did with the gun did not concern them enough at the time to do anything. It wasn't until he closed the garage that they thought he needed to be killed even though he never fired a single shot.

It's a shame they didn't have a body camera.


There isn't a standing "until fired upon" ROE for cops.

If the hysteria about police violence has gotten to the point where not only will people argue that someone should be able to disobey lawful orders from police without being forcefully arrested, but that an armed person can disobey lawful police orders and shouldn't be shot because "they never even fired a shot", then this is where I depart the movement calling for police reform.

It's relevant when they are lighting up a garage like a mobster.

Closing your garage shouldn't get you shot.

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It's also pretty funny how the 2A arguments disappear in this case. Noise complaint + closing garage + gun owner = justified killing.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
America wrote:
"may have a gun" vs "has waved a gun at you"

Whatever he did with the gun did not concern them enough at the time to do anything. It wasn't until he closed the garage that they thought he needed to be killed even though he never fired a single shot.

It's a shame they didn't have a body camera.


There isn't a standing "until fired upon" ROE for cops.

If the hysteria about police violence has gotten to the point where not only will people argue that someone should be able to disobey lawful orders from police without being forcefully arrested, but that an armed person can disobey lawful police orders and shouldn't be shot because "they never even fired a shot", then this is where I depart the movement calling for police reform.

It's relevant when they are lighting up a garage like a mobster.

Closing your garage shouldn't get you shot.


So you think an armed individual should be able to disobey lawful police orders without reprisal, or at the very least it is incumbent on the police officers to wait to be fired upon before they engage the armed individual presently disobeying lawful orders.

Did you disagree with the Bundy shooting, too? He didn't fire a shot, either.


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Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
America wrote:
"may have a gun" vs "has waved a gun at you"

Whatever he did with the gun did not concern them enough at the time to do anything. It wasn't until he closed the garage that they thought he needed to be killed even though he never fired a single shot.

It's a shame they didn't have a body camera.


There isn't a standing "until fired upon" ROE for cops.

If the hysteria about police violence has gotten to the point where not only will people argue that someone should be able to disobey lawful orders from police without being forcefully arrested, but that an armed person can disobey lawful police orders and shouldn't be shot because "they never even fired a shot", then this is where I depart the movement calling for police reform.

It's relevant when they are lighting up a garage like a mobster.

Closing your garage shouldn't get you shot.


So you think an armed individual should be able to disobey lawful police orders without reprisal, or at the very least it is incumbent on the police officers to wait to be fired upon before they engage the armed individual presently disobeying lawful orders.

Did you disagree with the Bundy shooting, too? He didn't fire a shot, either.

There definitely should be reprisal. Arrest them. Call in backup if you need to. Shooting up a garage should not be part of standard police protocol simply for noise complaint and disobeying a police order.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
There definitely should be reprisal. Arrest them. Call in backup if you need to. Shooting up a garage should not be part of standard police protocol simply for noise complaint and disobeying a police order.

And pointing a gun at police. You like to forget that part.


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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
America wrote:
"may have a gun" vs "has waved a gun at you"

Whatever he did with the gun did not concern them enough at the time to do anything. It wasn't until he closed the garage that they thought he needed to be killed even though he never fired a single shot.

It's a shame they didn't have a body camera.


There isn't a standing "until fired upon" ROE for cops.

If the hysteria about police violence has gotten to the point where not only will people argue that someone should be able to disobey lawful orders from police without being forcefully arrested, but that an armed person can disobey lawful police orders and shouldn't be shot because "they never even fired a shot", then this is where I depart the movement calling for police reform.

It's relevant when they are lighting up a garage like a mobster.

Closing your garage shouldn't get you shot.


So you think an armed individual should be able to disobey lawful police orders without reprisal, or at the very least it is incumbent on the police officers to wait to be fired upon before they engage the armed individual presently disobeying lawful orders.

Did you disagree with the Bundy shooting, too? He didn't fire a shot, either.

There definitely should be reprisal. Arrest them. Call in backup if you need to. Shooting up a garage should not be part of standard police protocol simply for noise complaint and disobeying a police order.


Do you think police officers should wait to be shot at before firing?


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And the jury did find the police responsible for the shooting and awarded damages based on the value of the life of the deceased. I think you and the jury agree very strongly Brick!


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America wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
There definitely should be reprisal. Arrest them. Call in backup if you need to. Shooting up a garage should not be part of standard police protocol simply for noise complaint and disobeying a police order.

And pointing a gun at police. You like to forget that part.

Link?

I only saw they claimed he held a gun at some point. I'm sure if he pointed a gun at them he would have been shot before the garage closed.

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Do you think police officers should wait to be shot at before firing?

Not always.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
America wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
There definitely should be reprisal. Arrest them. Call in backup if you need to. Shooting up a garage should not be part of standard police protocol simply for noise complaint and disobeying a police order.

And pointing a gun at police. You like to forget that part.

Link?

I only saw they claimed he held a gun at some point. I'm sure if he pointed a gun at them he would have been shot before the garage closed.


Dude had one of them super garages that close in an instant.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
America wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
There definitely should be reprisal. Arrest them. Call in backup if you need to. Shooting up a garage should not be part of standard police protocol simply for noise complaint and disobeying a police order.

And pointing a gun at police. You like to forget that part.

Link?

I only saw they claimed he held a gun at some point. I'm sure if he pointed a gun at them he would have been shot before the garage closed.

You've got Google, use it.

But you dont care about what the police say happened anyways, despite them finding the gun on him and it making no real sense for them to react the way they did unless he was posing an imminent threat.


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America wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
America wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
There definitely should be reprisal. Arrest them. Call in backup if you need to. Shooting up a garage should not be part of standard police protocol simply for noise complaint and disobeying a police order.

And pointing a gun at police. You like to forget that part.

Link?

I only saw they claimed he held a gun at some point. I'm sure if he pointed a gun at them he would have been shot before the garage closed.

You've got Google, use it.

But you dont care about what the police say happened anyways, despite them finding the gun on him and it making no real sense for them to react the way they did unless he was posing an imminent threat.

I can't find it. Can you provide the link where he pointed it at the cops? You obviously read it already. Maybe check your internet history?

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Unfortunately I'm on a "sit down & be humble" time-out right now, so you're gonna have to fend for yourself buddy. I'm sure the official webpage of Black Lives Matter will have the type of unbiased reporting you want.


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And the jury did find the police responsible for the shooting and awarded damages based on the value of the life of the deceased. I think you and the jury agree very strongly Brick!


I don't think that's what they did. Saw a quote from. A law professor that the jury was using a state law that allowed them to award damages based on "minimal liability" when the person found to be liable (or mostly liable) was liable because they were untoxicated. They said the jury making that distinction is a message that they don't think what the officer did was totally warranted, but wasn't unwarranted to the point of being worth a big money damage figure.


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They shot him through a closed garage door? That’s right out of a B-movie.

Most cops can’t hit shit right in front of them unless the suspect is unarmed.

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Unfortunately I'm on a "sit down & be humble" time-out right now, so you're gonna have to fend for yourself buddy. I'm sure the official webpage of Black Lives Matter will have the type of unbiased reporting you want.

Just say you were wrong. That response is just sad.

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So it's 3 in the afternoon. Guy is playing loud music and drinking in his garage. Some woman gets offended at the lyrics (not that he was listening to Drake) and calls the police. They show up and the guy whips around a gun before closing the door. Then cops shoot 4 time in 1.2 seconds (including a head shot that medical experts testify disabled all motor functions) and kill the guy. They don't know he's dead though so they call for SWAT and when they find the guy the gun is in his back pocket.

That about right?

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America wrote:
Unfortunately I'm on a "sit down & be humble" time-out right now, so you're gonna have to fend for yourself buddy. I'm sure the official webpage of Black Lives Matter will have the type of unbiased reporting you want.

Just say you were wrong. That response is just sad.

Here you go. It takes some searching to find articles about the incident itself and not outraged rags freaking out about the jury correctly appraising the life's worth of this zero. But here's one from the day after.

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FORT PIERCE — Two St. Lucie County deputies are on administrative leave after a shooting that killed a Fort Pierce man.

Sheriff Ken Mascara expressed his condolences to the family of 30-year-old Gregory Vaughn Hill Jr., who was killed by a deputy Tuesday.

Wednesday there was still plenty of activity outside Hill's home on Avenue Q as detectives combed the scene looking for more clues.

Tuesday's confrontation began after a call came in that there was loud and obscene music coming from the home.

Two deputies arrived and tried making contact with Hill. When Hill manually opened his garage door, he was armed according to the sheriff.

The sheriff said Hill then raised the gun at deputies while trying to shut the garage. Hill was shot multiple times through the garage door.

Hill's family can't believe the father of two is dead over a music complaint.

"Any homeowner can have a gun in their home that is true. However, when law enforcement arrives at your home doing lawful duty and you're confronted with law enforcement and they give you an order to drop that gun, the last thing anyone should do is raise that gun," said Sheriff Mascara.

"Why would you come to a call that says loud music and it turns into a deadly killing?" asked Hill's cousin Sylvia Tomie.

The shooting led to a SWAT standoff because deputies didn't know if Hill was still alive inside.

The sheriff said some of Hill's family told them that Hill was alive but scared to come out. A gun was found by Hill's body that was just inside the garage. The sheriff said Hill had a decade long rap sheet.

The two deputies involved are Christopher Newman, who just joined the sheriff's office last October but had been with Ft. Pierce police for a decade. He has no disciplinary actions.

The other deputy is Edward Lopez, who has served in several capacities in the sheriff's office since 2004. Both are on administrative leave. The sheriff would not say who fired the deadly shot or how many times Hill was hit.

An autopsy will be performed Thursday.

The shooting happened just as students were getting out from Francis K Sweet Elementary across the street.

No shell cases were found there and the school was on lockdown for a time. A school spokesman said Wednesday they resumed normal operations and 93% of the students were in attendance.

The St. Lucie County Sheriff's Office still looking for witnesses to the incident. You can call the Criminal Investigation Division at 772-462-3230.


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So it's 3 in the afternoon. Guy is playing loud music and drinking in his garage. Some woman gets offended at the lyrics (not that he was listening to Drake) and calls the police. They show up and the guy whips around a gun before closing the door. Then cops shoot 4 time in 1.2 seconds (including a head shot that medical experts testify disabled all motor functions) and kill the guy. They don't know he's dead though so they call for SWAT and when they find the guy the gun is in his back pocket.

That about right?

Like I said, B movie.

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So it's 3 in the afternoon. Guy is playing loud music and drinking in his garage. Some woman gets offended at the lyrics (not that he was listening to Drake) and calls the police. They show up and the guy whips around a gun before closing the door. Then cops shoot 4 time in 1.2 seconds (including a head shot that medical experts testify disabled all motor functions) and kill the guy. They don't know he's dead though so they call for SWAT and when they find the guy the gun is in his back pocket.

That about right?


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The sheriff said some of Hill's family told them that Hill was alive but scared to come out


Its funny how basic facts change over the course of 4 years.


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We will be seeing no more of Boilermaker Rick in this thread, of that you can be mostly certain.


You're not new.

You know nothing will scare Rick off.

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I thought this thread was somebody posting my W-2.

I wish I would have said this.

It's my running bit.

And by 'running bit' I mean 'real life'.

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America wrote:
Terry's Peeps wrote:
So it's 3 in the afternoon. Guy is playing loud music and drinking in his garage. Some woman gets offended at the lyrics (not that he was listening to Drake) and calls the police. They show up and the guy whips around a gun before closing the door. Then cops shoot 4 time in 1.2 seconds (including a head shot that medical experts testify disabled all motor functions) and kill the guy. They don't know he's dead though so they call for SWAT and when they find the guy the gun is in his back pocket.

That about right?


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The sheriff said some of Hill's family told them that Hill was alive but scared to come out


Its funny how basic facts change over the course of 4 years.


Yes it is.

The family probably told cops he was still alive so they had time to get in the garage and fix up the scene.

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Ohh, the cops said he pointed a gun at them. Case closed. Nothing to see here.

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