I have an issue with a police officer shooting through a structure to kill a person who had only shown danger by holding a weapon after someone banged on his garage door and then closed it. If you can't see them it is impossible to tell what they are doing.

If we are now saying that gun possession and not being seen makes it ok for the police to shoot you that is certainly an interesting thing to compare to your thoughts on the 2A. This guy became such a threat by raising a gun and then trying to get away that his killing was justified.

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Deflection? This guy was shot 4 times through a garage door. I'd say it is a valid part of the story.

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Everyone is tripping over themselves take balls deep the story offered by the state. Where the fuck is Ogie?

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I don’t think you understood Rouge’s post or let’s just say you did...

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You dont have a constitutional right to point your gun at police. Making this a 2A issue or some kind of gotcha in that regard reeks of desperation, and trying to omit the reporting that the guy raised the muzzle of the weapon in some manner is even worse.

Just take the L on this one and accept that you got pantsed by America. New week starts tomorrow.

He was shot through a closed garage door. They had no idea if they killed or wounded him. They had no idea what he was doing with a gun at the time of his death.

If they had shot him while pointing the gun at them then of course that would be correct. That does not describe what happened here.

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Would you train your police officers that if a noncompliant armed individual raises their weapon but then retreats behind a non-bullet proof barrier that said individual no longer poses a threat to them?

I'm a little shocked that cops shoot into a garage not knowing what's behind their target. That's one of the four rules.

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I'm assuming they started shooting as the door went down, we'll never know without bodycams.

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Thats why i was asking if the door was all the way closed. I don't know much but I did think firing blindly was a no-no.

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Everyone seems to be taking it as gospel that this guy was pointing a gun at the police, when the only people reporting that are, wait for it, the officers who shot the guy!

When he was found the gun was in his back pocket.

Isn't it slightly more likely that the cops saw a gun, guy closes the door and gets lit up as opposed to guy points gun at cops, closes door, puts gun in back pocket and gets lit up.

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You keep on trying to change it. Of course he was a threat. Any person with a gun is a threat in an interaction with police. That doesn't mean you shoot them through a garage door.

That's really the funny thing here. For all your talk about gun rights you refuse to question if it was justified to shoot a man through a garage door because he had a gun. This man who had a noise complaint against him deserved to die because he "raised" a gun but then had seemingly attempted to lock the police out. This lead the police to shoot up his garage like a mobster.

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Because police officers make sensible decisions all the time?

I'm not really talking about this instance but you really cant use "it would have made no sense for cops to _____"

pretty messed up what the cops did here.

very sad to see usual suspects defending their misconduct.

No, the funny thing here is you clinging for dear life to the notion that this guy "raised" but didn't "point" his firearm at police officers, and that distinction somehow means he shouldn't have been shot.

This is of course after you got rolled by America when you thought he hadn't sourced his claims.

I'm not clinging to anything. He was shot through a closed garage door. He wasn't shot when he was either "raising" or "pointing" it. The immediate danger was over. That's why they had no idea if they even hit him and had no idea if he was alive and had to bring in a SWAT team to figure it out.

If the story was noise complaint => guy with gun opens door => guy raises weapon at cops => cops shoot him dead then it would be justifiable. Instead it was noise complaint => guy with gun opens door => guy raises weapon at cops => guy then closes the garage door => cops can't see him => cops shoot him dead by lighting up the garage door with bullets.

You are disingenuously ignoring that this man was shot dead through a garage door. That's why none of your questions mention it even after I have responded multiple times that it makes the difference here.

Rolled? I asked for a link for him "pointing the gun at cops". He refused. I told him that means he was wrong. He then posted a link about him "raising his gun" and I accepted it even though it doesn't say he pointed it at them because I honestly don't know if there is a difference but if he had pointed it at them I do think it would have been part of the story. Are you this desperate that you are going to latch on to a guy who comes off as one of the more unhinged posters who rails against the coming destruction of America because of liberals?

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I'm in the process of moving so I'm not going to be in here much during the month of June.

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It's shocking for sure, but in context, JLN is a known White supremacist on this board.

What if the cops were shooting the guy after he raised his weapon at them, while the garage door was being pulled down?





That looks to me like the officer was shooting upwards as he brought up his weapon and the door was being closed. Unless you now want to pretend that the officers waited for the door to close all the way then shot at the ground first. Or that the guy who disobeyed lawful orders and raised his weapon at police officers was no longer a threat because he was in the act of closing the garage door.

The reason for the settlement is that the family claimed after the initial shots at the garage door 4 Cent Man was alive, scared and willing to surrender in the interventing hours before SWAT came and cleared the house. This was obviously a lie as the autopsy revealed that he was dead from a shot to the head probably before he hit the ground, or at least so profoundly fucked up that you wouldn't really be able to tell he was alive at all.

I don't get your argument here. You seem to be trying too hard. They shot him through his garage door. One bullet hole is near the bottom and the rest are much higher. What conclusions should we draw from this?

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JLN, the man with all the answers.

How did the unloaded gun end up in the dead guy's back pocket?

He raised the gun, per the cops, as he went to pull down the garage door. That, in and of itself, doesn't quite qualify as a mortal threat, imho.

That is beside the point though.

If he was putting the gun back in his pocket, then closing the door, that eliminates the threat. Yet they still shot him through the door, 4 shots in a matter of moments. One of those shots hit him in the head, killing him on the spot. How did the gun get into his back pocket?

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I’m guessing the family that put out the bullshit story about him being alive did it?

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Pointing guns at American police officers is a bad idea.

They probably unloaded it while they were at it.

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Is there any indication that any other family members were home? Why would the cops have to wait for a robot to crawl in and view the body, hours later?

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Why not simply confiscate the weapon altogether since they are techically already tampering with evidence?

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I love how everyone think they are Sherlock fucking Holmes for pointing out that the gun was in his back pocket. Wow! You're the first person probably to notice that detail, you eagled-eyed sleuths!

You dont think the defense in this case had a compelling explanation for that? Or do you think the attorney searching for damages just ignored it?

This case is harder to solve than the non existent swastikas on LeBrons garage !!

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It aint the six minutes. Its what happens in those six minutes.

Says the guy who keeps on repeating he "pointed his weapon" at the cops when his own article claimed he "raised his weapon". In all honesty, I don't know if he pointed it or not but you keep on mentioning it with no proof he did point out and then you go as far as claiming it is the same thing which it clearly wouldn't be. I can raise a weapon pointing it straight up in the air without pointing it at someone.

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