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I love how everyone think they are Sherlock fucking Holmes for pointing out that the gun was in his back pocket. Wow! You're the first person probably to notice that detail, you eagled-eyed sleuths!

You dont think the defense in this case had a compelling explanation for that? Or do you think the attorney searching for damages just ignored it?

Says the guy who keeps on repeating he "pointed his weapon" at the cops when his own article claimed he "raised his weapon". In all honesty, I don't know if he pointed it or not but you keep on mentioning it with no proof he did point out and then you go as far as claiming it is the same thing which it clearly wouldn't be. I can raise a weapon pointing it straight up in the air without pointing it at someone.

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when your boyfriend raises his cock at your face, is that the same as when he points it?


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I don't get your argument here.


Yes you do. There are two possible explanations for the placement of the bullet holes in the garage:

1. The bullet holes indicate that the door was moving while the four shots from the officer were being fired. This means that weapons were being drawn while the door was still mostly or completely open. As the cop raised his firearm the door began to close, but he could still see the body of the threat posed to him. He began to fire. Bullet 1 entered the bottom panel of the door and the remaining 3 proceeded up the third panel as the door rolled closed.

2. The cop waited for the door to close all the way, and fired a round at the bottom panel first, then raised his aim and fired through the third panel.

Which is more plausible?


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He raised the gun, per the cops, as he went to pull down the garage door. That, in and of itself, doesn't quite qualify as a mortal threat, imho.


This lunacy doesn't warrant an answer to any more of your questions. That's more than enough to put a reasonable person in reasonable fear of great bodily harm or death, much less a reasonable officer.

If you can agree with that, I'll discuss things further with you.


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America just figured out the cheat code for jurisprudence, if a cop said it it must be true.

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America just figured out the cheat code for jurisprudence, if a cop said it it must be true.


If the gun was in his back pocket the entire time, how did the cops see it in the first place? Do you think they are lying about ever seeing a weapon, and this cop just straight murdered an unarmed dude who, as luck would have it, had a pistol in his back pocket so he could claim "reasonable fear", or do you think it was a drop gun? Do you have ANY evidence or reporting of this?


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Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
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I don't get your argument here.


Yes you do. There are two possible explanations for the placement of the bullet holes in the garage:

1. The bullet holes indicate that the door was moving while the four shots from the officer were being fired. This means that weapons were being drawn while the door was still mostly or completely open. As the cop raised his firearm the door began to close, but he could still see the body of the threat posed to him. He began to fire. Bullet 1 entered the bottom panel of the door and the remaining 3 proceeded up the third panel as the door rolled closed.

2. The cop waited for the door to close all the way, and fired a round at the bottom panel first, then raised his aim and fired through the third panel.

Which is more plausible?

Well, considering they had no idea if he was alive or dead I doubt they had a good view of the shooter. There are so many reasons why a cop would shoot low that it isn't even worth this discussion. It could have happened as they quickly drew their weapons or an attempt to knock him down or it could have just been a bad shot.

What seems clear from those pictures is a majority of the bullets went much higher when he no longer would have been visible outside of maybe his feet. Keep in mind that he is also doing this by hand so there is no real chance he is sitting there trying to close the garage door while "raising" his weapon at them.

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 Post subject: Re: $.04
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Detective Brick is on the scene combing together his detailed forensic analysis from 300 word articles written by a TV station intern and a handful of pictures. By golly, he's gonna crack this case if its the last thing he does.


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 Post subject: Re: $.04
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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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I don't get your argument here.


Yes you do. There are two possible explanations for the placement of the bullet holes in the garage:

1. The bullet holes indicate that the door was moving while the four shots from the officer were being fired. This means that weapons were being drawn while the door was still mostly or completely open. As the cop raised his firearm the door began to close, but he could still see the body of the threat posed to him. He began to fire. Bullet 1 entered the bottom panel of the door and the remaining 3 proceeded up the third panel as the door rolled closed.

2. The cop waited for the door to close all the way, and fired a round at the bottom panel first, then raised his aim and fired through the third panel.

Which is more plausible?

Well, considering they had no idea if he was alive or dead I doubt they had a good view of the shooter. There are so many reasons why a cop would shoot low that it isn't even worth this discussion. It could have happened as they quickly drew their weapons or an attempt to knock him down or it could have just been a bad shot.

What seems clear from those pictures is a majority of the bullets went much higher when he no longer would have been visible outside of maybe his feet. Keep in mind that he is also doing this by hand so there is no real chance he is sitting there trying to close the garage door while "raising" his weapon at them.


Oh the guy had one arm? I didn't know that. Hmmm...

For what it's worth, cops aren't trained to shoot at limbs to disable threats but keep the threat alive. They are trained to shoot center mass until the threat is neutralized.


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For what it's worth, cops aren't trained to shoot at limbs to disable threats but keep the threat alive. They are trained to shoot center mass until the threat is neutralized.


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he had a record,should not have had the gun. Follow the law,be alive
Second,police ordered him to drop weapon he was brandishing, complies with a reasonable request,man is alive.

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America just figured out the cheat code for jurisprudence, if a cop said it it must be true.


If the gun was in his back pocket the entire time, how did the cops see it in the first place? Do you think they are lying about ever seeing a weapon, and this cop just straight murdered an unarmed dude who, as luck would have it, had a pistol in his back pocket so he could claim "reasonable fear", or do you think it was a drop gun? Do you have ANY evidence or reporting of this?


He could have been facing them for the side and the gun could have been visible, he could have been holding the gun when the door was open and he moved to put it in his pocket when closing the door, he very well could have done something with the gun that, from the officers perspective, made it appear as if he was pointing or going to point the gun at them.

The only people that know for certain are a dead guy and people with a vested interest in saying that a gun was pointed at them.

You're skeptical of nearly everything. Why are you so certain of the state's version of the events?

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 Post subject: Re: $.04
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SpiralStairs wrote:
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America just figured out the cheat code for jurisprudence, if a cop said it it must be true.


If the gun was in his back pocket the entire time, how did the cops see it in the first place? Do you think they are lying about ever seeing a weapon, and this cop just straight murdered an unarmed dude who, as luck would have it, had a pistol in his back pocket so he could claim "reasonable fear", or do you think it was a drop gun? Do you have ANY evidence or reporting of this?


He could have been facing them for the side and the gun could have been visible, he could have been holding the gun when the door was open and he moved to put it in his pocket when closing the door, he very well could have done something with the gun that, from the officers perspective, made it appear as if he was pointing or going to point the gun at them.

The only people that know for certain are a dead guy and people with a vested interest in saying that a gun was pointed at them.

You're skeptical of nearly everything. Why are you so certain of the state's version of the events?


Because I haven't seen compelling reports that contradict the narrative that the gun was raised/pointed in the direction of the officers, and a jury found the deceased liable for almost all of what transpired.


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cops never lie. nope.


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Kinda shows the bias at work when the family is caught red handed in a huge lie but people still wont trust the cops. The (((media))) has really done its work with some of you.


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Kinda shows the bias at work when the family is caught red handed in a huge lie but people still wont trust the cops. The (((media))) has really done its work with some of you.


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cops never lie. nope.


Do you have evidence of the cop lying in this case?


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This was from Washington Post article.

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If Hill was holding the gun in his hand, he would have dropped it on the floor after he was shot in the head, Phillips said. It would have had some tissue and blood spatter, or sweat, but DNA tests showed that none of these were found on the weapon.

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This was from Washington Post article.

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If Hill was holding the gun in his hand, he would have dropped it on the floor after he was shot in the head, Phillips said. It would have had some tissue and blood spatter, or sweat, but DNA tests showed that none of these were found on the weapon.

JLN just got rolled by SpiralStairs!

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Now we're supposed to believe DNA tests? You libtards never cease to amaze.


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This was from Washington Post article.

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If Hill was holding the gun in his hand, he would have dropped it on the floor after he was shot in the head, Phillips said. It would have had some tissue and blood spatter, or sweat, but DNA tests showed that none of these were found on the weapon.


Were there fingerprints or gunpowder on the gun?


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This was from Washington Post article.

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If Hill was holding the gun in his hand, he would have dropped it on the floor after he was shot in the head, Phillips said. It would have had some tissue and blood spatter, or sweat, but DNA tests showed that none of these were found on the weapon.


Were there fingerprints or gunpowder on the gun?

Just take your loss.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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This was from Washington Post article.

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If Hill was holding the gun in his hand, he would have dropped it on the floor after he was shot in the head, Phillips said. It would have had some tissue and blood spatter, or sweat, but DNA tests showed that none of these were found on the weapon.


Were there fingerprints or gunpowder on the gun?

Just take your loss.

I found an actual quote where he said there were no "identifiable" DNA or fingerprints on the gun, not that there were none of those things on the weapon.

Your record in this thread is incredibly poor.


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Really digging in now.

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Really digging in now.


The complete lack of DNA and fingerprints looks different than those things being present but somehow not able to be used for identification.

Complete lack of such substances could indicate a drop gun or one that was cleaned before being placed in his pocket after the incident.

Of course you could argue that Hill had a clean gun in his pocket the whole time, but how and why would he clean his weapon and place it into his back pocket to get drunk in his garage and listen to Drake songs?


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Yeah. Maybe he cleaned his gun with a fatal head wound. :lol:

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Yeah. Maybe he cleaned his gun with a fatal head wound. :lol:


Obviously the family cleaned the scene up while they pretended the guy was still alive.

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Yeah. Maybe he cleaned his gun with a fatal head wound. :lol:


Is that what I said? What was the first thing I listed as an explanation for no DNA or fingerprints at all?


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Only witnesses alive: well they're cops and they said he was pointing a gun, we should believe what they say.

Any evidence to the contrary: wellllllll wait just a minute here, we need MORE INFORMATION than that!

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Yeah. Maybe he cleaned his gun with a fatal head wound. :lol:


Is that what I said? What was the first thing I listed as an explanation for no DNA or fingerprints at all?

Your record in this thread is incredibly poor.

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