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Twitter is arguing that you shouldn't use the phrase committed suicide anymore since it isn't PC and labels suicide as sinful and wrong.

No shit.


That's.....insane.


So I guess "he murdered himself" would be out of the question


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Twitter is arguing that you shouldn't use the phrase committed suicide anymore since it isn't PC and labels suicide as sinful and wrong.

No shit.


That's.....insane.


So I guess "he murdered himself" would be out of the question

He "achieved" suicide


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Suicide is not a selfish act. That's a misnomer affixed to a desperate act by those who are left here to grieve and wonder "why?".

The amount of courage that goes into killing yourself is extraordinary, especially due to it being so against human nature. For many people, it's the only way they can find relief.

Doesn't make it right, and it should never happen. But it's anything but selfish.


Completely disagree.

It is a wholly selfish act. It shows blatant disregard for those in your life that are left behind to try and struggle with the pain.

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Ugueth Will Shiv You wrote:
Suicide is not a selfish act. That's a misnomer affixed to a desperate act by those who are left here to grieve and wonder "why?".

The amount of courage that goes into killing yourself is extraordinary, especially due to it being so against human nature. For many people, it's the only way they can find relief.

Doesn't make it right, and it should never happen. But it's anything but selfish.


Selfish is not the opposite of courageous. Just because he had the courage to actually go ahead and kill himself doesn't mean it wasn't a selfish act. When you do something with no respect for the feelings of others in your life or the mess you will leave behind, it is selfish, even if it gives you "relief". That is the epitome of selfish.


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Twitter is arguing that you shouldn't use the phrase committed suicide anymore since it isn't PC and labels suicide as sinful and wrong.

No shit.


These people should kill themselves.

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(of a person, action, or motive) lacking consideration for others; concerned chiefly with one's own personal profit or pleasure.
While not for profit or pleasure, Kate Spade and Anthony Bourdain absolutely lacked consideration for their respective 13 year old and 11 year old children.

By the very definition of the word, their suicides were selfish.

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I can't describe it as selfish. Anyone who would do it has a severe mental illness. It's just sad.

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The word selfish is what it is, regardless of whether the person has mental illness or not. When you do something with only your interests in mind without consideration for the feelings of others, it is selfish, whether you are mentally ill or not. Selfish doesn't have a floating meaning based on your mental health.


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I can't describe it as selfish. Anyone who would do it has a severe mental illness. It's just sad.


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I can't describe it as selfish. Anyone who would do it has a severe mental illness. It's just sad.


What happened to words have meaning?

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apparently mentally ill people are immune from performing terribly selfish acts.


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Yeah. The event(s) can be sad, the person can be sick, and the act can be selfish. These are not exclusive.

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Yeah. The event(s) can be sad, the person can be sick, and the act can be selfish. These are not exclusive.

Well said.

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Frank Coztansa wrote:
Yeah. The event(s) can be sad, the person can be sick, and the act can be selfish. These are not exclusive.


Very true Frank

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apparently mentally ill people are immune from performing terribly selfish acts.

Nope.

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apparently mentally ill people are immune from performing terribly selfish acts.

Nope.

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LOL you got that right.


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I can't describe it as selfish. Anyone who would do it has a severe mental illness. It's just sad.


I would imagine a level pain & sadness that is only made worse by the thoughts of how it would impact those around you, and that one would still feel it's better for them in the long run probably just makes it all spiral.

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If you are mentally ill (not saying everyone that kills themselves is mentally ill) but if you are, I don't think you can define the action in moral terms. it just is what it is.

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Apparently many of you don't know how depression works. You're assuming those who commit suicide don't consider the hearts and feelings of those they'll leave behind. You're wrong.

Chemical imbalances are motherfuckers. Brains can make people feel like they're already gone, and have become a burden to those they love. While incorrect (in most cases), the person committing the act is in such a place they can't see any other alternative and have, in fact, already caused their loved ones pain.


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The exact causes of mental disorders are unknown, but an explosive growth of research has brought us closer to the answers. We can say that certain inherited dispositions interact with triggering environmental factors. Poverty and stress are well-known to be bad for your health—this is true for mental health and physical health. In fact, the distinction between “mental” illness and “physical” illness can be misleading. Like physical illnesses, mental disorders can have a biological nature. Many physical illnesses can also have a strong emotional component [italics added].


http://www.psychiatrictimes.com/couch-c ... nce-debate
https://www.psychiatry.org/patients-families

Chemical imbalance is a phrase used very often regarding mental illnesses. It is generalized why of saying "we have no idea." It isn't scientific. And that is per scientists. Not per IMU.

So while we're admitting that we don't know a ton about mental illnesses or depression, let's not pretend anyone does.

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ask someone who has attempted or almost attempted suicide and failed and then later in life managed their depression. Ask them, "would that have been a heroic act or a cowardly act?"

I believe MANY would say, "neither, I just couldn't take the suffering anymore."

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Apparently many of you don't know how depression works. You're assuming those who commit suicide don't consider the hearts and feelings of those they'll leave behind. You're wrong.

Chemical imbalances are motherfuckers. Brains can make people feel like they're already gone, and have become a burden to those they love. While incorrect (in most cases), the person committing the act is in such a place they can't see any other alternative and have, in fact, already caused their loved ones pain.

I absolutely understand how depression works.

Suicide is completely selfish. That doesn't mean it may not seem selfish to the person contemplating it. But it still is.

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Twitter is arguing that you shouldn't use the phrase committed suicide anymore since it isn't PC and labels suicide as sinful and wrong.

No shit.


That's.....insane.


So I guess "he murdered himself" would be out of the question

He "achieved" suicide

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If you guys want to call it selfish, fine. It's sort of semantics. That person is dead and is never coming back. Making judgments of their actions at this point is sort of futile... that's all I'm saying. And it is undoubtedly a sad situation. I just don't think there has to be "blame." Some people who commit suicide are barely even aware of what they're doing.

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The exact causes of mental disorders are unknown, but an explosive growth of research has brought us closer to the answers. We can say that certain inherited dispositions interact with triggering environmental factors. Poverty and stress are well-known to be bad for your health—this is true for mental health and physical health. In fact, the distinction between “mental” illness and “physical” illness can be misleading. Like physical illnesses, mental disorders can have a biological nature. Many physical illnesses can also have a strong emotional component [italics added].


http://www.psychiatrictimes.com/couch-c ... nce-debate
https://www.psychiatry.org/patients-families

Chemical imbalance is a phrase used very often regarding mental illnesses. It is generalized why of saying "we have no idea." It isn't scientific. And that is per scientists. Not per IMU.

So while we're admitting that we don't know a ton about mental illnesses or depression, let's not pretend anyone does.


That first article is a single doctor's opinion, and he is merely trying to refute use of the term "chemical imbalances." Mental health professionals know a lot about mental illnesses and depression, and they frequently help to overcome those issues through medication and cognitive therapy. It's just untrue to say that no one knows a lot about mental illnesses.

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Going to need specifics on life insurance coverage before labeling these acts as selfish.

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As overprescribed as they are, there would be no need for SSRIs if chemical imbalances were a fallacy.

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I think there are times when the person believes their death is unquestionably what is best for their loved ones.

That couldn't be labeled selfish, could it?

Then there are people who are completely fucked up and think they literally have the devil living inside them and their saving mankind or going to their home planet.


This very deep thinking chef doesn't seem to fall into either category, so I'll call this one selfish while maintaining there are times when it's not.


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As overprescribed as they are, there would be no need for SSRIs if chemical imbalances were a fallacy.


We live out of synch with how we evolved. Chemicals are a necessity.

Adrenaline used to kick in so that we could run from a bear. Now it kicks in when someone says something stupid on the internet.

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Shellfish, not selfish.

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