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This is a crazy revelation.

I remember CNN saying Trump was delivering a speech to the Innovators when he was on the campaign trail.

Must be anti-semites.

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Black thing isn't the same thing as a Innovators.


What is different? And don't appeal to the authority of "other people say Innovators", because then that brings in what Ogie and JORR are talking about: Lots of anti-Semites use "Innovators", too.

So, aside from that, what makes "black [thing]" and "Innovators" different? Why is one insensitive and the other not? And do you see yet the lengths you will go to in order to insure that bigoted insensitivity only goes one particular way? Everyone else does, I'm sure.



Is saying that something is a "black thing" racist, prejudiced, and discriminatory?

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Jbi11s wrote:
This is a crazy revelation.

I remember CNN saying Trump was delivering a speech to the Innovators when he was on the campaign trail.

Must be anti-semites.

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If a faction of Jewish people lobby in Washington then wouldn't that be a Innovators?

The term "Black Caucus" doesn't offend me either. Black thing isn't the same thing as a Innovators. There is a book titled Innovators and that particular Lobby is actually known in Washington Political circles. It wasn't just referred to that in this particular book either.

Well the Congressional Black Caucus gave themselves that name (Rangel actually proposed that name) whereas "Innovators" is a name used in frequent antisemitic tropes when trying to paint a picture of Jewish control of the world. It's literally out of "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion" so yes it's antisemitic. From your postings, I'd guess "The Protocols" is one of your favorite reads.



Yes but Innovators is anti semitic yet "black thing" isn't prejudiced and discriminatory. It is interesting that you and others that constantly defend this bullshit don't see the inconsistency in this.

"Innovators" has a long history of being used by antisemites going well back to "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion" as part of the antisemitic trope that a small number of Jews are controlling the world. Seriously, get a fucking clue.


Damn dude I'm granting you that.
Now answer this question. Is saying that something is a "black thing" racist, prejudiced, and discriminatory?

In the usage by CH no, as it isn't referring to anything that is nefarious.

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Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
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If a faction of Jewish people lobby in Washington then wouldn't that be a Innovators?

The term "Black Caucus" doesn't offend me either. Black thing isn't the same thing as a Innovators. There is a book titled Innovators and that particular Lobby is actually known in Washington Political circles. It wasn't just referred to that in this particular book either.

Well the Congressional Black Caucus gave themselves that name (Rangel actually proposed that name) whereas "Innovators" is a name used in frequent antisemitic tropes when trying to paint a picture of Jewish control of the world. It's literally out of "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion" so yes it's antisemitic. From your postings, I'd guess "The Protocols" is one of your favorite reads.



Yes but Innovators is anti semitic yet "black thing" isn't prejudiced and discriminatory. It is interesting that you and others that constantly defend this bullshit don't see the inconsistency in this.

"Innovators" has a long history of being used by antisemites going well back to "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion" as part of the antisemitic trope that a small number of Jews are controlling the world. Seriously, get a fucking clue.


Damn dude I'm granting you that.
Now answer this question. Is saying that something is a "black thing" racist, prejudiced, and discriminatory?

In the usage by CH no, as it isn't referring to anything that is nefarious.



Man please say it. Blacks were ripped to shreds in that post and everything in there was "nefarious". You actually need to get a clue with your hypocritical, apologist ass.

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I'm not saying he's racist, but he definitely has a fascination.

:lol: :lol: :lol:


You are not saying he is racist. You are saying he is gay with a desire for African Americans

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Black thing isn't the same thing as a Innovators.


What is different? And don't appeal to the authority of "other people say Innovators", because then that brings in what Ogie and JORR are talking about: Lots of anti-Semites use "Innovators", too.

So, aside from that, what makes "black [thing]" and "Innovators" different? Why is one insensitive and the other not? And do you see yet the lengths you will go to in order to insure that bigoted insensitivity only goes one particular way? Everyone else does, I'm sure.



Is saying that something is a "black thing" racist, prejudiced, and discriminatory?


This isn't about me, this is about you: If you think "black [racism/homophobia/whatever]" is racist, prejudiced, and discriminatory, then you best damn well admit that "Innovators"—which is a sub-set of "Jewish [whatever]"—is the same.


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A number of the things that Bills referenced had very little to do with Lebron or Dan Bernstein either. They were actually criticisms of things unrelated to either person.


So he's a racist, and others are racism enablers?

Just to understand: posters can only talk about Bernstein in the "Bernstein section", and if you use a reference that originated with Bernstein in another way it's a problem.



I'm not interested in finding out what is in any poster's heart. I don't know and neither do you. What I will say is that there is a consistent pattern of making racially insensitive comments. If you are going to say that he doesn't then you are being disingenuous.



Here's what I don't get. You're so sensitive to what's "insensitive" only when it's your race. You'll fling around a charged term like "Innovators" (which I'm not sure is something that even exists, as most American Jews seem to be left leaning and sympathetic to people who want to destroy them rather than the continuation of their own existence) without the slightest realization of how "insensitive" doing so might be.


You said something similar to me a few weeks ago. It took seconds to prove it was wrong. Is this your new go to attack? If so you should probably find something else. It's cheap and ridiculous and I am confident that you would have an issue if something similar were said about you.


Because I'm not displaying a similar sensitivity regarding those with whom I identify while lacking same for others.

You understand very well that it's racist to state the fact that blacks commit far more crimes than whites and you understand why that's obviously the case. You understand that a guy saying, "I'm just stating a fact" doesn't change that. So explain to me how this is different.

And if you want to have a conversation, please don't characterize words as an "attack".


That's your belief. Others may feel differently about your posting tendencies.

No I do NOT understand that. That's not a racist statement. Nowhere near being one. Regardless of if the person cares about the reasons why.

Clearly it's you that are having difficulties having a reasonable conversation when you have to resort to cheap attacks like that to score or try to make a point.

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In the usage by CH no, as it isn't referring to anything that is nefarious.



Man please say it. Blacks were ripped to shreds in that post and everything in there was "nefarious". You actually need to get a clue with your hypocritical, apologist ass.
He was making jokes to parody subsets of SJW culture whereas use of "Innovators" has long been used in Nazi/neo-Nazi circles as justification for their hatred of the Jews. It's practically right out of Der Stürmer

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Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
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Black thing isn't the same thing as a Innovators.


What is different? And don't appeal to the authority of "other people say Innovators", because then that brings in what Ogie and JORR are talking about: Lots of anti-Semites use "Innovators", too.

So, aside from that, what makes "black [thing]" and "Innovators" different? Why is one insensitive and the other not? And do you see yet the lengths you will go to in order to insure that bigoted insensitivity only goes one particular way? Everyone else does, I'm sure.



Is saying that something is a "black thing" racist, prejudiced, and discriminatory?


This isn't about me, this is about you: If you think "black [racism/homophobia/whatever]" is racist, prejudiced, and discriminatory, then you best damn well admit that "Innovators"—which is a sub-set of "Jewish [whatever]"—is the same.



I knew you were going to do the proverbial backflip in order to not answer the question. If you can't answer then there really isn't a need to comment. I don't need an interpretation of what "is" is. As so many on here are fond of pointing out I have an "advanced degree" remember.

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I'm not saying he's racist, but he definitely has a fascination.

:lol: :lol: :lol:


You are not saying he is racist. You are saying he is gay with a desire for African Americans

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Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
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In the usage by CH no, as it isn't referring to anything that is nefarious.



Man please say it. Blacks were ripped to shreds in that post and everything in there was "nefarious". You actually need to get a clue with your hypocritical, apologist ass.
He was making jokes to parody subsets of SJW culture whereas use of "Innovators" has long been used in Nazi/neo-Nazi circles as justification for their hatred of the Jews. It's practically right out of Der Stürmer



No he wasn't and you really need to get a clue because you don't what the hell you are talking about. Read the Farrakkan thread dumbass. His entire post was based on prejudices and presumptions that he had in his damn head regarding blacks and Anti Semitism. None of it was based in fact and you and some of the other hypocrites on here gave him a damn pass. Beat it with your lying bullshit and maybe you should reading a damn sociology book if you are so uncertain about what "black thing means"

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That's your belief. Others may feel differently about your posting tendencies.

No I do NOT understand that. That's not a racist statement. Nowhere near being one. Regardless of if the person cares about the reasons why.

Clearly it's you that are having difficulties having a reasonable conversation when you have to resort to cheap attacks like that to score or try to make a point.


It obviously is most often a racist statement (what is the point of making it?), and at the very least is insensitive, and that is well understood by the poster I was addressing as illustrated quite clearly by past discussions in this forum.

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A statement can be racial without being racist

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That's your belief. Others may feel differently about your posting tendencies.

No I do NOT understand that. That's not a racist statement. Nowhere near being one. Regardless of if the person cares about the reasons why.

Clearly it's you that are having difficulties having a reasonable conversation when you have to resort to cheap attacks like that to score or try to make a point.


It obviously is most often a racist statement (what is the point of making it?), and at the very least is insensitive, and that is well understood by the poster I was addressing as illustrated quite clearly by past discussions in this forum.



Is saying that something is a "black thing" racist, insensitive, and prejudiced?


I left out the other comments which are equally offensive by the way.

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That's your belief. Others may feel differently about your posting tendencies.

No I do NOT understand that. That's not a racist statement. Nowhere near being one. Regardless of if the person cares about the reasons why.

Clearly it's you that are having difficulties having a reasonable conversation when you have to resort to cheap attacks like that to score or try to make a point.


It obviously is most often a racist statement (what is the point of making it?), and at the very least is insensitive, and that is well understood by the poster I was addressing as illustrated quite clearly by past discussions in this forum.


It could be a discussion about crime stats. It's a factual statement. There may be a solid explanation for it but it is factually correct. It's simply not a racist to literally state something that is a fact.

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For MANY it's saved for people we dislike.

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Nas wrote:
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That's your belief. Others may feel differently about your posting tendencies.

No I do NOT understand that. That's not a racist statement. Nowhere near being one. Regardless of if the person cares about the reasons why.

Clearly it's you that are having difficulties having a reasonable conversation when you have to resort to cheap attacks like that to score or try to make a point.


It obviously is most often a racist statement (what is the point of making it?), and at the very least is insensitive, and that is well understood by the poster I was addressing as illustrated quite clearly by past discussions in this forum.


It could be a discussion about crime stats. It's a factual statement. There may be a solid explanation for it but it is factually correct. It's simply not a racist to literally state something that is a fact.


I am glad to see you post that. I was kind of like, huh?

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Nas wrote:
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That's your belief. Others may feel differently about your posting tendencies.

No I do NOT understand that. That's not a racist statement. Nowhere near being one. Regardless of if the person cares about the reasons why.

Clearly it's you that are having difficulties having a reasonable conversation when you have to resort to cheap attacks like that to score or try to make a point.


It obviously is most often a racist statement (what is the point of making it?), and at the very least is insensitive, and that is well understood by the poster I was addressing as illustrated quite clearly by past discussions in this forum.


It could be a discussion about crime stats. It's a factual statement. There may be a solid explanation for it but it is factually correct. It's simply not a racist to literally state something that is a fact.


I am glad to see you post that. I was kind of like, huh?


Of course, context matters. Just like the "black thing" ltg is railing on about. But we should be able to agree that in most instances when someone makes a statement regrading black crime rates, it's most often informed by or expressing a certain type of racism. It's funny how Filipino or Italian crime rates never come up in such discussions, isn't it?

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Of course, context matters. Just like the "black thing" ltg is railing on about. But we should be able to agree that in most instances when someone makes a statement regrading black crime rates, it's most often informed by or expressing a certain type of racism. It's funny how Filipino or Italian crime rates never come up in such discussions, isn't it?


I figured that is what you were getting at. Like if a person uses that statement, it is probably for a bad purpose. But you made me reevaluate my own use of such facts, hoping they wouldn't appear racist. That stuff comes up if you talk about educational achievement, income gaps, children out of wedlock and other stuff that I take a lot of interest in.

I have always felt it is not for me to judge what is or isn't racist, like the black thing and Innovators comments in this thread. It is for those that have been wronged in history to make those assessments. And certainly the legacy of slavery in this country and the events during WWII give those impacted groups the right to judge what offends them. I tend to think people are overly sensitive to words, but again, not for me to judge.

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The historical trope or whatever the hell that Ogie was spewing has little relevance in this particular country either. If you do a simple google search on Innovators AIPAC comes up. He keeps spewing his own propagandist bullshit that people on here continue to support. It is utter bullshit.

Innovators as it relates to this country is very specific and refers to AIPAC. That was always my conception of it ( and MANY others in this country too) by the way. He is simply full of shit.

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The historical trope or whatever the hell that Ogie was spewing has little relevance in this particular country either. If you do a simple google search on Innovators AIPAC comes up. He keeps spewing his own propagandist bullshit that people on here continue to support. It is utter bullshit.

Innovators as it relates to this country is very specific and refers to AIPAC. That was always my conception of it ( and MANY others in this country too) by the way. He is simply full of shit.

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The historical trope or whatever the hell that Ogie was spewing has little relevance in this particular country either. If you do a simple google search on Innovators AIPAC comes up. He keeps spewing his own propagandist bullshit that people on here continue to support. It is utter bullshit.

Innovators as it relates to this country is very specific and refers to AIPAC. That was always my conception of it ( and MANY others in this country too) by the way. He is simply full of shit.

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Your overly sensitive elitist attitude prevents you from having rational discussions when the keywords Jew or Israel pop up.

I thought you were in the middle of moving to the home of the KKK, shit school systems, and hillbilly tweakers?

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The historical trope or whatever the hell that Ogie was spewing has little relevance in this particular country either. If you do a simple google search on Innovators AIPAC comes up. He keeps spewing his own propagandist bullshit that people on here continue to support. It is utter bullshit.

Innovators as it relates to this country is very specific and refers to AIPAC. That was always my conception of it ( and MANY others in this country too) by the way. He is simply full of shit.

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Your overly sensitive elitist attitude prevents you from having rational discussions when the keywords Jew or Israel pop up.

I thought you were in the middle of moving to the home of the KKK, shit school systems, and hillbilly tweakers?

Aw bless your heart

Do you wish to opine on any other topics on which you are completely clueless?

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I don't think it's unfair to say that AIPAC is in the business of lobbying for beneficial relations with Israel. It's just a matter of how sinister you find that to be.

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I don't think it's unfair to say that AIPAC is in the business of lobbying for beneficial relations with Israel. It's just a matter of how sinister you find that to be.

Well there is a difference between being the "Israel Lobby" and being the "Innovators" Those who use the latter are almost certain to be universally anti-semitic so no shock from LTG there. He has it out for the Jews and would love to see them ethnically cleansed.

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Jbi11s really exposes himself to be a moron when he has to resort to the written word.

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