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Does anybody have a link to where Terry said that? Was it on Macs podcast or something? Feel like I missed that


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mannybeinmanny wrote:
Does anybody have a link to where Terry said that? Was it on Macs podcast or something? Feel like I missed that

http://sportsradiopd.com/2018/04/a-conv ... rs-part-2/

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Matt: There’s been a recent major line-up change at the Score bringing Dan McNeil back. Were you surprised by the changes?

Terry: Jimmy DeCastro (Entercom/Chicago Market Manager) loves Danny. If Danny wanted to work it was going to be for DeCastro. He’s liked Danny for 30 years. This was not a great shock. DeCastro’s not a guy who likes long-form talk, beating up one topic for a four or five hour show. It’s not what he likes. Danny’s more bang-bang-bang a here, there and everywhere. Where Bernstein and Jason (Goff) were more on a topic for the whole show—like the Michigan State stuff. It isn’t DeCastro’s cup of tea. There’s nothing wrong with it. It’s just not his cup of tea. It was not surprising. When you get a new toy you’re going to do something with it. You knew something was gonna happen when DeCastro came into power again. The guy he loves is Danny. It’s nothing deeper than that. Not surprising!

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didnt refresh and got called into a meeting lol. thanks


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Curious Hair wrote:
mannybeinmanny wrote:
Does anybody have a link to where Terry said that? Was it on Macs podcast or something? Feel like I missed that

http://sportsradiopd.com/2018/04/a-conv ... rs-part-2/

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Matt: There’s been a recent major line-up change at the Score bringing Dan McNeil back. Were you surprised by the changes?

Terry: Jimmy DeCastro (Entercom/Chicago Market Manager) loves Danny. If Danny wanted to work it was going to be for DeCastro. He’s liked Danny for 30 years. This was not a great shock. DeCastro’s not a guy who likes long-form talk, beating up one topic for a four or five hour show. It’s not what he likes. Danny’s more bang-bang-bang a here, there and everywhere. Where Bernstein and Jason (Goff) were more on a topic for the whole show—like the Michigan State stuff. It isn’t DeCastro’s cup of tea. There’s nothing wrong with it. It’s just not his cup of tea. It was not surprising. When you get a new toy you’re going to do something with it. You knew something was gonna happen when DeCastro came into power again. The guy he loves is Danny. It’s nothing deeper than that. Not surprising!


Only Jason could take this salient description of the McNeil and B&G respective approaches, as a personal-professional attack.


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Curious Hair wrote:
mannybeinmanny wrote:
Does anybody have a link to where Terry said that? Was it on Macs podcast or something? Feel like I missed that

http://sportsradiopd.com/2018/04/a-conv ... rs-part-2/

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Matt: There’s been a recent major line-up change at the Score bringing Dan McNeil back. Were you surprised by the changes?

Terry: Jimmy DeCastro (Entercom/Chicago Market Manager) loves Danny. If Danny wanted to work it was going to be for DeCastro. He’s liked Danny for 30 years. This was not a great shock. DeCastro’s not a guy who likes long-form talk, beating up one topic for a four or five hour show. It’s not what he likes. Danny’s more bang-bang-bang a here, there and everywhere. Where Bernstein and Jason (Goff) were more on a topic for the whole show—like the Michigan State stuff. It isn’t DeCastro’s cup of tea. There’s nothing wrong with it. It’s just not his cup of tea. It was not surprising. When you get a new toy you’re going to do something with it. You knew something was gonna happen when DeCastro came into power again. The guy he loves is Danny. It’s nothing deeper than that. Not surprising!


wow, that is pretty innocuous and correctly stated.... get over yourself jason


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If I remember correctly, Mike Murphy got screwed out of a good job in 2009 when Mac came back: Murph had always performed in middays (you could say that was because he ran against Patrick for a lot of that, but North ran against Mike & Mike and got owned), but bringing back Mac was the priority and there was nowhere to put him. What a pity that nobody liked him very much and he didn't have a coterie of like-minded colleagues who would give him platforms to talk about all the ways management mistreated him and insulted the intelligence of his loyal audience by thinking they didn't want to hear him honk a clown horn in reference to Andy MacPhail.

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WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
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Maybe I missed it, but I didn't hear the part about Jason being disappointed with Terry Boers. With Terry being one of his long time guys, I don't see him having anything negative to say about Terry at all. Not publicly, anyway. Is there a minute marker that you can pin this to, CH?

Sure thing: it's around 38:30 of part 2.

". . . And for people to speak on it without facts, people I respect, too, people I hold near and dear to my heart, like...when I read what Terry had to say about it, it kinda...it hurt me a little bit because no, that's not what happened. I've never been the guy that's done a four-hour show on anything. If anything, you know me, I've got stuff I don't get to because I want to keep it moving. I've been the guy who's told 'hey, bring that back,' but no, I'm on to the next thing. I can't duplicate that feeling."


That's just sad. Terry made his career for the most part.


And Jason was talking about being at events at Terry 's home the last few times I heard the show, something Bernstein conspicuously didn't do. But Jason has to own that he screwed up dovetailing with Bernstein

How Rosen keeps his job is beyond me.

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Regular Reader wrote:
WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
Curious Hair wrote:
spmack wrote:
Maybe I missed it, but I didn't hear the part about Jason being disappointed with Terry Boers. With Terry being one of his long time guys, I don't see him having anything negative to say about Terry at all. Not publicly, anyway. Is there a minute marker that you can pin this to, CH?

Sure thing: it's around 38:30 of part 2.

". . . And for people to speak on it without facts, people I respect, too, people I hold near and dear to my heart, like...when I read what Terry had to say about it, it kinda...it hurt me a little bit because no, that's not what happened. I've never been the guy that's done a four-hour show on anything. If anything, you know me, I've got stuff I don't get to because I want to keep it moving. I've been the guy who's told 'hey, bring that back,' but no, I'm on to the next thing. I can't duplicate that feeling."


That's just sad. Terry made his career for the most part.


And Jason was talking about being at events at Terry 's home the last few times I heard the show, something Bernstein conspicuously didn't do. But Jason has to own that he screwed up dovetailing with Bernstein

How Rosen keeps his job is beyond me.


That was the biggest part of his failing. He tried to take on the persona of looking down at his audience, and what he (Jason) did was more important than sports radio. It does not seem like he has been able to separate himself from that persona in his post-Score career.

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The biggest failing of B&G was that the show was just never fun. In fact, they made a point of doing away with a certain segment that had "fun" (OK maybe it was "fung") in the name.

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WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
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WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
Curious Hair wrote:
spmack wrote:
Maybe I missed it, but I didn't hear the part about Jason being disappointed with Terry Boers. With Terry being one of his long time guys, I don't see him having anything negative to say about Terry at all. Not publicly, anyway. Is there a minute marker that you can pin this to, CH?

Sure thing: it's around 38:30 of part 2.

". . . And for people to speak on it without facts, people I respect, too, people I hold near and dear to my heart, like...when I read what Terry had to say about it, it kinda...it hurt me a little bit because no, that's not what happened. I've never been the guy that's done a four-hour show on anything. If anything, you know me, I've got stuff I don't get to because I want to keep it moving. I've been the guy who's told 'hey, bring that back,' but no, I'm on to the next thing. I can't duplicate that feeling."


That's just sad. Terry made his career for the most part.


And Jason was talking about being at events at Terry 's home the last few times I heard the show, something Bernstein conspicuously didn't do. But Jason has to own that he screwed up dovetailing with Bernstein

How Rosen keeps his job is beyond me.


That was the biggest part of his failing. He tried to take on the persona of looking down at his audience, and what he (Jason) did was more important than sports radio. It does not seem like he has been able to separate himself from that persona in his post-Score career.


I think that Jason saw Terry often look down on the audience from time to time as well. But he missed that Terry was self deprecating and never took most topics as if they were life or death.

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How Rosen keeps his job is beyond me.

I cannot for the life of me get a good read on Mitch. Everyone who's ever been at the Score only speaks of him in laudatory tones: he truly cares about his employees and the station, he's brutally honest to up-and-comers about their career trajectories and will help them land in smaller markets, has a passion for radio, on and on and on. But you when listen to the station at its worst, you would never get the idea that there's anyone in charge who cares dearly about the place.

He got the Mac hire right because it was handed to him on a platter: the guy who's been kicking your ass for years is out of work, so pick him up. And promoting Mully and Hanley rejuvenated the station after North all but salted the earth in mornings. But Hamp and Holmes, Patrick Mannelly as year-round weekday host, and Bernstein and Goff were all varying degrees of failure. I'm not sure whether he has to own the Telander show but if he does that's another.

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How Rosen keeps his job is beyond me.

I cannot for the life of me get a good read on Mitch. Everyone who's ever been at the Score only speaks of him in laudatory tones: he truly cares about his employees and the station, he's brutally honest to up-and-comers about their career trajectories and will help them land in smaller markets, has a passion for radio, on and on and on. But you when listen to the station at its worst, you would never get the idea that there's anyone in charge who cares dearly about the place.

He got the Mac hire right because it was handed to him on a platter: the guy who's been kicking your ass for years is out of work, so pick him up. And promoting Mully and Hanley rejuvenated the station after North all but salted the earth in mornings. But Hamp and Holmes, Patrick Mannelly as year-round weekday host, and Bernstein and Goff were all varying degrees of failure. I'm not sure whether he has to own the Telander show but if he does that's another.

Sounds like he's a great mentor for developing talent and a shitty manager of established talent. Those are two different jobs.

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Yeah that stuff from terry is really not much at all.

CH is spot on with Mitch. Everyone seems to love him. That probably goes a long way when your employees like working for you in a business with big egos. And the station has been relatively successful over the years against ESPN.

I guess you never know what you're going to get when you put two guys on the air together. But Hampton....oh my that was bad.

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they're like hekyll and jyde in short pants

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This Goff cat sounds like the essence of a Millennial...nothing his fault, blaming others for his demise, thinks he's entitled to a job at WSCR. A year ago, it would have been
hard to believe Murph and DiCaro would have a regular radio show and Goff is off the air. :lol: :lol: :lol:

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WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
Curious Hair wrote:
spmack wrote:
Maybe I missed it, but I didn't hear the part about Jason being disappointed with Terry Boers. With Terry being one of his long time guys, I don't see him having anything negative to say about Terry at all. Not publicly, anyway. Is there a minute marker that you can pin this to, CH?

Sure thing: it's around 38:30 of part 2.

". . . And for people to speak on it without facts, people I respect, too, people I hold near and dear to my heart, like...when I read what Terry had to say about it, it kinda...it hurt me a little bit because no, that's not what happened. I've never been the guy that's done a four-hour show on anything. If anything, you know me, I've got stuff I don't get to because I want to keep it moving. I've been the guy who's told 'hey, bring that back,' but no, I'm on to the next thing. I can't duplicate that feeling."


That's just sad. Terry made his career for the most part.


And Jason was talking about being at events at Terry 's home the last few times I heard the show, something Bernstein conspicuously didn't do. But Jason has to own that he screwed up dovetailing with Bernstein

How Rosen keeps his job is beyond me.


Huge this!

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Things Mitch had nothing to do with:

Boers & Bernstein
Bernstein & McKnight (Pending)
McNeil & Parkins

Good Mitch Decisions:

Mully & Hanley
McNeil & Spiegel
Spiegel & Goff
Spiegel & Parkins

Bad Mitch Decisions:

Breaking up Spiegel & Goff
Bernstein & Goff
Hamp & Holmes
Spiegel & Mannelly

And I guess logically speaking, you can put the breaking up of Spiegel & Parkins at the feet of Mitch, because his afternoon pairing of Bernstein and Goff was so god-awful that the lineup needed to be re-tooled. And if that is permissible, then so is it acceptable to put the pending ratings failure of Bernstein & McKnight at Mitch's feet, for the same reasoning.


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Bad Mitch~
Larry
Goff
Dicaro
Getting rid of Hood
Mannelly
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Good Mitch~
Parko

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if you are going to eval. mitch, you need to eval the behind the scenes people that he had to have been involved in hiring (producers)


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If Jason is mad at Terry for that then he truly is a whiny little bitch. Terry in many ways made Jason. Terry said nothing bad about Jason. Just stated reality.

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If Jason is mad at Terry for that then he truly is a whiny little bitch. Terry in many ways made Jason. Terry said nothing bad about Jason. Just stated reality.

If Jason cannot take that very soft, but accurate criticism, then he's never going to find another gig

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I think a really understated but hugely important thing that Mitch did was switch the direction of the station away from national programming back to local and restoring the mission of being the voice of the fans. If you remember, when he took office, the station was almost entirely national from 6 pm on Fridays until 5 am Mondays. I believe they were also national starting at 10 pm on weekdays. Those were dark times for listenership.

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I feel sorry for Jason...for being a complete DUMBASS! The industry is tough BRUH!! SUCK IT UP!!! Move ON!!! Nobody owes you shit!! His lack of self awareness is only exceeded by a certain redhead! If you "KNEW" radio...you would KNOW THAT!!!


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I'm listening. He doesn't critique his own behavior on sponsored radio. He says only 17% on sjw. But, we don't listen all the time. It felt like 100%. Of course, he's a victim.
Kinda like riding by a car wreck. He says Jimmy d didn't speak to him. Why didn't he approach his new boss on his expectations of him and the show?


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Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
Things Mitch had nothing to do with:

Boers & Bernstein
Bernstein & McKnight (Pending)
McNeil & Parkins

Good Mitch Decisions:

Mully & Hanley
McNeil & Spiegel
Spiegel & Goff
Spiegel & Parkins

Bad Mitch Decisions:

Breaking up Spiegel & Goff
Bernstein & Goff
Hamp & Holmes
Spiegel & Mannelly

And I guess logically speaking, you can put the breaking up of Spiegel & Parkins at the feet of Mitch, because his afternoon pairing of Bernstein and Goff was so god-awful that the lineup needed to be re-tooled. And if that is permissible, then so is it acceptable to put the pending ratings failure of Bernstein & McKnight at Mitch's feet, for the same reasoning.


Looks like Mitch is batting.500, I know that pretty good if playing baseball, I'm assuming that's pretty good as program director too?

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House of L is a pretty good name for a podcast.

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Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
Things Mitch had nothing to do with:

Boers & Bernstein
Bernstein & McKnight (Pending)
McNeil & Parkins

Good Mitch Decisions:

Mully & Hanley
McNeil & Spiegel
Spiegel & Goff
Spiegel & Parkins

Bad Mitch Decisions:

Breaking up Spiegel & Goff
Bernstein & Goff
Hamp & Holmes
Spiegel & Mannelly

And I guess logically speaking, you can put the breaking up of Spiegel & Parkins at the feet of Mitch, because his afternoon pairing of Bernstein and Goff was so god-awful that the lineup needed to be re-tooled. And if that is permissible, then so is it acceptable to put the pending ratings failure of Bernstein & McKnight at Mitch's feet, for the same reasoning.


Looks like Mitch is batting.500, I know that pretty good if playing baseball, I'm assuming that's pretty good as program director too?


Half of the "good" shows listed above didn't last more than two years, and I'd say the abject failure of Bernstein & Goff outweighs the success of Mully & Hanley, and the train wreck that was Spiegel & Mannelley cancels out the success of either Spiegel & Goff or Spiegel & Parkins.


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they're like hekyll and jyde in short pants

the de facto cream of the class, if you will


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perfect podcast to have Goff on. lots of L there


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