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I don't find it hard to believe that he was never given feedback regarding his performance. This happens all the time in Corporate America. Unless the success of the company directly affects you (i.e. you are the owner or a large stakeholder), there's not a ton of incentive to be honest with people about how they suck.

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I definitely recommend you guys listen to the whole thing. It moves quick and gives a lot of insight into Goff's struggles. It's heart felt and a therapy session. Not sure what to think about the whole thing.


He's a narcissist justifying his own behavior to himself and casting off all blame for what has happened to him via an enabler. End of story.

Are you surprised by how much blame he's put on Dan? I think he even said something about how hard he prepares, and if the show fails, it'll never be for his lack of preparation, which is an obvious shot at the guy who thinks he could be a physician with a law degree if he tried hard but for sports talk radio never has to take it out of first gear. And yeah, a lot of the show's failure is Dan's fault, but all the preparation in the world doesn't mean much if the preparation is about the Utah Jazz and you don't live in Salt Lake City.

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I don't find it hard to believe that he was never given feedback regarding his performance. This happens all the time in Corporate America. Unless the success of the company directly affects you (i.e. you are the owner or a large stakeholder), there's not a ton of incentive to be honest with people about how they suck.

I agree with this as it relates to DeCastro, who as general manager for six stations owed Goff no regular feedback, but I want to believe that the program director would get involved with a show losing to Mayo on a Bagel over at 1000. But Mitch "had a vision" for the show and I think Dan and Jason realized that vision of socially conscious sports talk that got people talking on Twitter and Facebook.

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I definitely recommend you guys listen to the whole thing. It moves quick and gives a lot of insight into Goff's struggles. It's heart felt and a therapy session. Not sure what to think about the whole thing.

It's important to remember that for the bad breaks Jason has had in his career (a hostile PD in Atlanta gunning for him, an old AM1000 guy tearing up the lineup to get Mac back in), he has also had remarkable fortune in failing up. There aren't a lot of people in this business who go from evenings in Atlanta to middays in Chicago because something went wrong. There aren't a lot of people who get internships after they quit broadcasting school.

Yeah but he’s “ earned “ that stuff whereas Mac and everyone else has had that stuff gifted to them by the good old boy network

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I definitely recommend you guys listen to the whole thing. It moves quick and gives a lot of insight into Goff's struggles. It's heart felt and a therapy session. Not sure what to think about the whole thing.


He's a narcissist justifying his own behavior to himself and casting off all blame for what has happened to him via an enabler. End of story.

Are you surprised by how much blame he's put on Dan? I think he even said something about how hard he prepares, and if the show fails, it'll never be for his lack of preparation, which is an obvious shot at the guy who thinks he could be a physician with a law degree if he tried hard but for sports talk radio never has to take it out of first gear. And yeah, a lot of the show's failure is Dan's fault, but all the preparation in the world doesn't mean much if the preparation is about the Utah Jazz and you don't live in Salt Lake City.


I'm surprised that there aren't more direct shots at Dan, as the on-air partner is the first person I'd expect a narcissist to blame for the show's failure. The fact that he only takes oblique shots could be a hint of self-awareness on Jason's part (he knows setting partners on fire will mean nobody will want to work with him), or just another con that he thinks will show how righteous he thinks he is.

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Goff was talking about how he doesn't want to be the reason other black hosts won't get a shot in the business, because "how many people have you told that if you talk about something that's important to you....", just completely refusing to take ownership of his programming and demeanor as a host—people owed him listenership because he cared about SJW issues and berating people with his luxury car lease?

Also, he said right after that "because we [Bernstein & Goff] were successful, with a lot of head winds in our face."

YOU PISSED AWAY THE IN-DEMO RATINGS LEAD GIFTED TO YOU BY BOERS & BERNSTEIN. YOU DIDN'T WIN ANYTHING. YOU LOST.


In fairness, a large part of the commonly accepted wisdom around here was that after the 2:00 hour B&B were getting savaged by ESPN. 2:00 being well after transition and when Bernstein had a full head of steam going. And Jason in tow. Unfortunately.

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Are you surprised by how much blame he's put on Dan? I think he even said something about how hard he prepares, and if the show fails, it'll never be for his lack of preparation, which is an obvious shot at the guy who thinks he could be a physician with a law degree if he tried hard but for sports talk radio never has to take it out of first gear.


Didn't Goff brag about his lack of show prep during Spiegel and Goff? I thought Spiegel wanted to do show prep, Goff wanted to wing it, and Speigel occasionally voiced his displeasure with that on the air.


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Dan and Jason bullied their audience. They thought they had a license to talk down to and dismiss people on a daily basis, even to the point of telling them to PTFB. It's rare to see people like this get their comeuppance. Imagine being a fly on the wall when they got the news. Of course Jason is distraught, but did he learn anything or is going to double down on the B&G persona the next time?

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I definitely recommend you guys listen to the whole thing. It moves quick and gives a lot of insight into Goff's struggles. It's heart felt and a therapy session. Not sure what to think about the whole thing.


He's a narcissist justifying his own behavior to himself and casting off all blame for what has happened to him via an enabler. End of story.

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Are you surprised by how much blame he's put on Dan? I think he even said something about how hard he prepares, and if the show fails, it'll never be for his lack of preparation, which is an obvious shot at the guy who thinks he could be a physician with a law degree if he tried hard but for sports talk radio never has to take it out of first gear.


Didn't Goff brag about his lack of show prep during Spiegel and Goff? I thought Spiegel wanted to do show prep, Goff wanted to wing it, and Speigel occasionally voiced his displeasure with that on the air.

You know something, I think you're right. That makes more sense for someone who learned at the knee of Dan Bernstein, after all.

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I definitely recommend you guys listen to the whole thing. It moves quick and gives a lot of insight into Goff's struggles. It's heart felt and a therapy session. Not sure what to think about the whole thing.

It's important to remember that for the bad breaks Jason has had in his career (a hostile PD in Atlanta gunning for him, an old AM1000 guy tearing up the lineup to get Mac back in), he has also had remarkable fortune in failing up. There aren't a lot of people in this business who go from evenings in Atlanta to middays in Chicago because something went wrong. There aren't a lot of people who get internships after they quit broadcasting school.

Yeah but he’s “ earned “ that stuff whereas Mac and everyone else has had that stuff gifted to them by the good old boy network


No one would argue Mac's radio talent. But his record would suggest a gifting quotient as well. Especially with his radio godfather pulling him off a truck showroom floor. Or his prior boss looking past the previous crash and burn before the Drive.

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This business is definitely not a meritocracy. Patrick Mannelly wasn't sending out demo tapes for years.

lol, man, Mitch gave a four-hour midday show to Patrick Mannelly.

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This business is definitely not a meritocracy. Patrick Mannelly wasn't sending out demo tapes for years.

lol, man, Mitch gave a four-hour midday show to Patrick Mannelly.


A quarterback or defensive captain I would have gotten, but a long unheard long snapper?

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Dan and Jason bullied their audience. They thought they had a license to talk down to and dismiss people on a daily basis, even to the point of telling them to PTFB. It's rare to see people like this get their comeuppance. Imagine being a fly on the wall when they got the news. Of course Jason is distraught, but did he learn anything or is going to double down on the B&G persona the next time?


Yeah that stuff is true. I hated the holier than though stuff whether it comes from liberals or the religious right.

But in that podcast, Goff was talking about a lot of struggles beyond the job where he even said he might need therapy. So from a purely humanistic perspective, I feel for the guy.

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Frankly, I always thought that Jason should have been left in mornings to tailor his show and voice.

Instead of becoming Terry as Bernstein would have envisioned him.

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Frankly, I always thought that Jason should have been left in mornings to tailor his show and voice.

Instead of becoming Terry as Bernstein would have envisioned him.

Or Teary as he became and Laurence envisioned him.

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My problem with Goff, who for the most part I don't mind, was his insistence (that he often verbalized on the air) that he was going to do it his way and not change. I get there's a level of self-confidence you need to succeed in your career, but for someone that didn't have the background and education in broadcasting, that just seemed like a terrible career decision.


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Frankly, I always thought that Jason should have been left in mornings to tailor his show and voice.

Instead of becoming Terry as Bernstein would have envisioned him.


Honestly, after listening to that thing, someone should hire Goff to do a show focused on social issues and sports. You pair him with a like minded female. if you look at Real Sports or Outside the Lines, they do similar and interesting looks at sports topics.

There are venues for discussing that type of stuff where it is more structured with dedicated time devoted to a given topic rather than the haphazard nature of sports talk radio.

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Dan and Jason bullied their audience. They thought they had a license to talk down to and dismiss people on a daily basis, even to the point of telling them to PTFB. It's rare to see people like this get their comeuppance. Imagine being a fly on the wall when they got the news. Of course Jason is distraught, but did he learn anything or is going to double down on the B&G persona the next time?


Yeah that stuff is true. I hated the holier than though stuff whether it comes from liberals or the religious right.

But in that podcast, Goff was talking about a lot of struggles beyond the job where he even said he might need therapy. So from a purely humanistic perspective, I feel for the guy.


I do as well and that was a tough seat to be thrust into. Rozner was maybe the only one, who was seemingly mature enough, not to fall into full Bernstein mode while filling in for Terry. Holmes for example, falls right into it.

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My problem with Goff, who for the most part I don't mind, was his insistence (that he often verbalized on the air) that he was going to do it his way and not change. I get there's a level of self-confidence you need to succeed in your career, but for someone that didn't have the background and education in broadcasting, that just seemed like a terrible career decision.


The go f yourself attitude towards the audience is what turned a lot of people off. And he is so talented that it is a shame. I wanted to listen to him. He was a damn near perfect foil on B&B.

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Frankly, I always thought that Jason should have been left in mornings to tailor his show and voice.

Instead of becoming Terry as Bernstein would have envisioned him.


Honestly, after listening to that thing, someone should hire Goff to do a show focused on social issues and sports. You pair him with a like minded female.



ESPN tried this thing already, it was a failure even bigger than Bernstein & Goff.


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The show sucked and Dan had more pull at the station. Now Dan’s new show sucks even worse and McKnight will get the axe. Dan isn’t going anywhere.

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The show sucked and Dan had more pull at the station. Now Dan’s new show sucks even worse and McKnight will get the axe. Dan isn’t going anywhere.


I'd believe Dan is next in line to get the ax. McDoink is like a Dan Bernstein clone that's Good At Twitter, and also comes incredibly cheap. Bernstein better start getting funny again or he's gone, I think.


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The show sucked and Dan had more pull at the station. Now Dan’s new show sucks even worse and McKnight will get the axe. Dan isn’t going anywhere.


I'd believe Dan is next in line to get the ax. McDoink is like a Dan Bernstein clone that's Good At Twitter, and also comes incredibly cheap. Bernstein better start getting funny again or he's gone, I think.


I just feel like he is bulletproof. This new show is unbearable though.

On a side note, Parkins is great. He’s made me like Mac, and I never was a fan of Mac.

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The show sucked and Dan had more pull at the station. Now Dan’s new show sucks even worse and McKnight will get the axe. Dan isn’t going anywhere.


I'd believe Dan is next in line to get the ax. McDoink is like a Dan Bernstein clone that's Good At Twitter, and also comes incredibly cheap. Bernstein better start getting funny again or he's gone, I think.


He's been so unfunny for so long I think that ship has sailed.

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The show sucked and Dan had more pull at the station. Now Dan’s new show sucks even worse and McKnight will get the axe. Dan isn’t going anywhere.


I'd believe Dan is next in line to get the ax. McDoink is like a Dan Bernstein clone that's Good At Twitter, and also comes incredibly cheap. Bernstein better start getting funny again or he's gone, I think.


He's been so unfunny for so long I think that ship has sailed.


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On a side note, Parkins is great. He’s made me like Mac, and I never was a fan of Mac.

I'm the opposite... Mac has helped me like Parkins more than I did. Always been a Mac fan and so-so on Parkins.

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Frankly, I always thought that Jason should have been left in mornings to tailor his show and voice.

Instead of becoming Terry as Bernstein would have envisioned him.


Honestly, after listening to that thing, someone should hire Goff to do a show focused on social issues and sports. You pair him with a like minded female. if you look at Real Sports or Outside the Lines, they do similar and interesting looks at sports topics.

There are venues for discussing that type of stuff where it is more structured with dedicated time devoted to a given topic rather than the haphazard nature of sports talk radio.


They already had the show for Goff. It was with Spiegs. They were just fine. They just couldn’t eat either Bernsie’s contract, his ad connections or some other factors.

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He was a damn near perfect foil on B&B.


That’s because he was usually the counterpoint to Bernstein. Once he switched to the same side of the glass, it became an echo chamber.

Parkins is a bleeding heart liberal, but his pairing with Mac works because there is someone there to push back. Mac and Parkins had a good debate a few weeks ago about how much responsibility players have for their future medical problems (Parkins saying it’s the leagues’ fault and Mac taking the view that players had to know that banging your head constantly can’t be a good thing). B&G were always on the same side of an issue, which doesn’t make for good radio.

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