I imagine those who sport a half-chub at the mere thought of a black getting what's coming to him care little that that commie factory in Madison was defunded.

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It calls into question why they didn't just search him to begin with. It's a pretty standard procedure and they had plenty of time to do it.

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Sure it does. But not following procedure for timely searching of someone being detained isnt a violation of the detainee's civil rights. The order go remove his hands was a lawful one, and the forceful arrest was reasonable after he failed to comply. The Taser is too much force, and he should be compensated for that.

It's pretty amusing that a hypothetical gun also makes a person a serious threat to law enforcement yet average citizens shouldn't view gun owners as threats.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

Im asking here because I dont know but is it a crime do disobey a lawful order? Who decides if it's lawful?

Yes.

The Police.

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Well of course the police think it's lawful, but ultimately the judge decides?

The judge/jury would decide, if that becomes material. Disobeying the lawful order both acts as an offense and as the justification for further use of force to gain compliance while in police custody/detention.

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Why do cops think people being dicks to them is illegal and an arrestable offense? I'm pretty sure it's not.

Because they've been given incredible power over people.

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Why are only 14 percent of black CPS 11th-graders proficient in English?

Why do people think they can just disobey lawful orders and then resist attempts to arrest them? One reason is because people like you will eat this shit up despite the facts: Lawful traffic stop, the people in the car appeared to be drunk and underage, lawful order to exit the vehicle, unlawful resisting of arrest.

Another is they think there's a big payout to be had by resisting lawful arrest and then getting forcefully arrested: "Weeee're takin you guyss to court."

You dont know any of that. You're assuming the cop in question is telling the truth. She may be, she may not be.

The girl did not appear to be impaired at all.

But let's be real: The cop told her to get out of the car, because she was giving her attitude, not ANY other reason. It's 100% clear.


Again, Ill ask since you are a lawyer: Is being a dick to cops an arrestable offense? I dont think it is.

As an expert on getting and being drunk, I can tell you the chick was drunk. These were college cops who see drunkeness a shit ton, I'm sure they have more keen of an eye than me.




Her attitude ended up getting her arrested, but the "arrestable offense" was disobeying a lawful order and then resisting arrest. She may not have even been arrested had she gotten out of the car when the cop asked. She almost certainly wouldn't have been told to get out of the car if she had been pleasant and not given the cop a hard time.

I know now you're going to make the "thing" here the cop telling her to get out of the car because of an attitude, but your first post made it seem like the attitude was the reason she was arrested, and it very clearly was not.

Not a lawyer, and disobeying a lawful order and resisting arrest/detention are arrestable offenses, and those two things are what got her arrested.

She didn't seem drunk to me. If you don't think the cops were completely unreasonable there, I'm not sure what to tell you. Maybe you want to live in a police state.

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Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

Yea, definitely did not appear drunk.

That's an issue, imo.


Attitude should not affect the procedure.

She wasn't cartoonishly drunk, but coupling the observation of her standing through the sunroof with the pains she was taking with her elocution, I assess with high probability that she was drunk and trying to hide it.



Come on, JORR, don't pull that shit with me. You're better than this, and I deserve more out of you.

So you want Robocop. He's not available, the best we've got right now are humans, and there is going to be some human-like ebb and flow to police interaction. I'm fine with that, not sure why you aren't.

Im all for robot umpires too.

But, it's not normal ebb and flow. You know there are a significant number of cops out there with the "just give me a reason" mindset.

Did you just "Be better" me? That's kind of an SJW thing to do.

Seriously, I don't see how anyone could think that police officer was reasonable. She argued with the woman over her name. I don't think she's fit to be a police officer. In fact, I'm pretty sure she isn't one. She's likely just a keystone cop working for a university with less training than a real officer. She's Paul Blart.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

The ebb and flow is: Be pleasant, and if the offense isn't that serious, you'll be let go with a warning; Be an argumentative ass about a last name for a couple minutes after being observed doing illegal shit, and arrest becomes more imminent.

What would a "reasonable" officer done in that circumstance? Observed acting recklessly in a vehicle on a public street, high probability of drunkeness, and you also know the person isn't old enough to be drunk, let alone drunk in public. Not what does Officer JORR do, but what does a "reasonable officer" do at the point the video picks up?

So you are ok with an arrest happening or not being based on how pleasant the person is?

I think that's pretty fucked, but to each their own.

Accept that the girl's last name is what she says it is. Move on from that to the next part of the procedure.

"I think discretion from police is pretty fucked."

Ok, then. Enjoy the rest of your week.

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Like tell her to get out of the car?

Don't worry. I'm sure JLN will soon be saying she was a danger because of a hypothetical gun she could have had. At least she wasn't listening to Drake.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

That's not what I said.

You think cops should be able to detain people for disrespect or not being "pleasant" and yes, that is truly "fucked"

Enjoy the quest for a police state.