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Absolutely racially motivated. Little white girl? This lady wouldn't have thought twice.

Zero doubt.


FF, is this a "reasonable inference" or a "definitive" claim?

Shove your attitude you half-wit.

It’s a definitive claim and unreasonable. Can’t say with any certainty. I was more speaking to the OP in regards to it being a reasonable inference.

Half wit? Lol don’t get mad that someone called you on your shit that isn’t LTG.

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Absolutely racially motivated. Little white girl? This lady wouldn't have thought twice.

Zero doubt.


FF, is this a "reasonable inference" or a "definitive" claim?

Shove your attitude you half-wit.

It’s a definitive claim and unreasonable. Can’t say with any certainty. I was more speaking to the OP in regards to it being a reasonable inference.


Well if it is a definitive claim and unreasonable, why did you say this in response to my questioning of it?

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Not everything is a court of law. GoldenJet's inference is reasonable.


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Once again reading my whole response would be key to making non-embarrassing responses.

Also, your responses in this thread indicate this entire part of the discussion is irrelevant. You already clearly stated that it is not even a reasonable inference to think racism was a factor in the phone call.

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Once again reading my whole response would be key to making non-embarrassing responses.

Also, your responses in this thread indicate this entire part of the discussion is irrelevant. You already clearly stated that it is not even a reasonable inference to think racism was a factor in the phone call.


You're backpedaling worse than LTG. Thread's OP didn't mention racism, so why would I respond to that clear grasped straw?

And given the evidence at hand, no I don't think a claim of racism like Goldenjet's, which you called reasonable, is actually all that reasonable.

Let's also not forget that you said in this thread that asking for evidence when claims of racism are leveled is "irrational". That's laughable.

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The OP absolutely inferred there was a racial angle to the call. If you remain insistent on denying that it reinforces my belief that you are irrational in this thread and in most matters relating to racial topics.

I also never said evidence was irrational. I said proof and stating it was certain was irrational. Read better please thanks.

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The OP absolutely inferred there was a racial angle to the call. If you remain insistent on denying that it reinforces my belief that you are irrational in this thread and in most matters relating to racial topics.

I also never said evidence was irrational. I said proof and stating it was certain was irrational. Read better please thanks.


1. So you were just talking about a completely different post when you responded to a quote of a different post entirely. Ok. :lol:

2. You said "asking for proof of racial bias is irrational". The terms "proof" and "evidence" are interchangeable. But please try to split that hair.

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Only on the cfmb will someone tell you proof and evidence is interchangable and then tell you to argue better.

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Only on the cfmb will someone tell you proof and evidence is interchangable and then tell you to argue better.

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:roll: "proof" literally means evidence.

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:lol: :lol:

At least having trouble reading quotes in their entirety is a consistent problem you're having tonight and it's not just my posts.

Proof literally means evidence. :lol: god that's great in it's idiocy.

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Assuming that stuff like this is racially motivated is lazy, close-minded, detrimental, and counter-productive. There is zero evidence that race had anything to do with it. Saying this isn't a court of law is nothing more than a deflection.

For the Twitter mob who loves to label people "racist", the irony here is that they are literally being racist. Or at least prejudiced.

I also love how the OP is 100% sure this was racial but can't provide a shred of evidence.

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Does everyone really need to start or finish every post with:

"Based on the evidence at hand"..."IMHO"

Zero doubt..."in my mind".

Feel free to assume these liberally throughout your message boarding adventures.

Keep fighting the good fight JLN! What would this place be without your daily douchebaggery.

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FavreFan wrote:
I find this thread interesting. JLN and WFR are by far the two biggest “white people are basically never racist” posters here and WFR specifically said his definition of racism would need to include actively trying to harm a minority. So yes, if she was a bitch to all races but reserved calling the police on innocuous actions to minority kids, that would qualify - and make it relevant.

The other thing you should understand JLN is that most of us aren’t wannabe lawyers and this isn’t a court of law. I don’t need to prove anything. All I’m saying is that I think GoldenJet’s inference is reasonable.. You being the “it’s never racism” guy that you are, of course you disagree. That’s it. We aren’t going to agree on this.


He isn't a "it's never racism" guy. It's that many in society have become so comfortable calling anything "racist" that they don't even see how ridiculous they sound, and he is simply pointing it out. This is a perfect example.

It does nothing other than to piss off white people and infantilize minorities.

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Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
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I find this thread interesting. JLN and WFR are by far the two biggest “white people are basically never racist” posters here and WFR specifically said his definition of racism would need to include actively trying to harm a minority. So yes, if she was a bitch to all races but reserved calling the police on innocuous actions to minority kids, that would qualify - and make it relevant.

The other thing you should understand JLN is that most of us aren’t wannabe lawyers and this isn’t a court of law. I don’t need to prove anything. All I’m saying is that I think GoldenJet’s inference is reasonable.. You being the “it’s never racism” guy that you are, of course you disagree. That’s it. We aren’t going to agree on this.


Piiiiiissssss off. I've already played "Prove You've Called Things Racist" with LTG. Fuck you for trying to go there with that.

All you said was "I think she only calls the cops on black people" with absolutely no evidence to justify THAT claim, which you then used to justify your claim that the inference of racial bias was reasonable. You just kicked the can of substantiated claims down the road a bit further and proclaimed victory.



You never really proved anything. You found some silly ass Bernstein post where you made some sort of racial claim as i recall. Seemed like you were more interested in discrediting Bernstein about something.

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Assuming that stuff like this is racially motivated is lazy, close-minded, detrimental, and counter-productive. There is zero evidence that race had anything to do with it. Saying this isn't a court of law is nothing more than a deflection.

For the Twitter mob who loves to label people "racist", the irony here is that they are literally being racist. Or at least prejudiced.

I also love how the OP is 100% sure this was racial but can't provide a shred of evidence.


I don't need to prove anything. There is plenty of precedence and enough evidence in that video to infer racial motivation.

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GoldenJet wrote:
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Assuming that stuff like this is racially motivated is lazy, close-minded, detrimental, and counter-productive. There is zero evidence that race had anything to do with it. Saying this isn't a court of law is nothing more than a deflection.

For the Twitter mob who loves to label people "racist", the irony here is that they are literally being racist. Or at least prejudiced.

I also love how the OP is 100% sure this was racial but can't provide a shred of evidence.


I don't need to prove anything. There is plenty of precedence and enough evidence in that video to infer racial motivation.


Well, no one needs to prove anything, as long as you're okay making a horrible assumption with no evidence. Your last sentence is nonsense. Precedence? What precedence are you referring to? Just a terrible take. You are essentially saying that we have to take someone's race into consideration when interacting because we might be called racist if we don't. How about we just judge each individual action on its own merit? This lady was a bitch to a little girl trying to sell water. No reason to interpret it beyond that without reason to do so.

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So what’s the point of posting this? To show that racism is still a big problem? We don’t know this women’s motivations. Even if she is a racist what’s your point? That this proves racism exists? Easier ways to get there.

There is this strange logic game that many people want to play where we say racism is this huge problem, and if you even ask people to clarify their thoughts then you have to assume they are racist for asking, which is the clear accusation by FF here. Maybe Rick can deputize you.

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So what’s the point of posting this? To show that racism is still a big problem? We don’t know this wome’s montivations. Evan if she is a racist what’s your point? That this proves racism exists? Easier ways to get there.

There is this strange logic game that many people want to play where we say racism is this huge problem, and if you even ask people to clarify their thoughts then you have to assume they are racist, which is the clear accusation by FF here. Maybe Rick can deputize you.



There is also a need to say nothing is ever racist and even once established it becomes so what "deal with it". Easy to say when you aren't the one adversely effected by it.

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So what’s the point of posting this? To show that racism is still a big problem? We don’t know this wome’s montivations. Evan if she is a racist what’s your point? That this proves racism exists? Easier ways to get there.

There is this strange logic game that many people want to play where we say racism is this huge problem, and if you even ask people to clarify their thoughts then you have to assume they are racist, which is the clear accusation by FF here. Maybe Rick can deputize you.



There is also a need to say nothing is ever racist and even once established it becomes so what "deal with it". Easy to say when you aren't the one adversely effected by it.


What laws do you want changed to make society more “equal”? What specifically do you “deal” with because of racial bias?

You people act like it’s the 50s. (Meaning posters here.)

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I find this thread interesting. JLN and WFR are by far the two biggest “white people are basically never racist” posters here and WFR specifically said his definition of racism would need to include actively trying to harm a minority. So yes, if she was a bitch to all races but reserved calling the police on innocuous actions to minority kids, that would qualify - and make it relevant.

The other thing you should understand JLN is that most of us aren’t wannabe lawyers and this isn’t a court of law. I don’t need to prove anything. All I’m saying is that I think GoldenJet’s inference is reasonable.. You being the “it’s never racism” guy that you are, of course you disagree. That’s it. We aren’t going to agree on this.


He isn't a "it's never racism" guy. It's that many in society have become so comfortable calling anything "racist" that they don't even see how ridiculous they sound, and he is simply pointing it out. This is a perfect example.

It does nothing other than to piss off white people and infantilize minorities.
You should ease up on the infantilize minorities stuff. It doesn't come off well.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
leashyourkids wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
I find this thread interesting. JLN and WFR are by far the two biggest “white people are basically never racist” posters here and WFR specifically said his definition of racism would need to include actively trying to harm a minority. So yes, if she was a bitch to all races but reserved calling the police on innocuous actions to minority kids, that would qualify - and make it relevant.

The other thing you should understand JLN is that most of us aren’t wannabe lawyers and this isn’t a court of law. I don’t need to prove anything. All I’m saying is that I think GoldenJet’s inference is reasonable.. You being the “it’s never racism” guy that you are, of course you disagree. That’s it. We aren’t going to agree on this.


He isn't a "it's never racism" guy. It's that many in society have become so comfortable calling anything "racist" that they don't even see how ridiculous they sound, and he is simply pointing it out. This is a perfect example.

It does nothing other than to piss off white people and infantilize minorities.
You should ease up on the infantilize minorities stuff. It doesn't come off well.


:lol: Then you should stop doing it. I'm not going to stop saying something because you want to imply that it makes me racist. Either have an honest conversation or don't, but spare me the "doesn't come off well" bullshit.

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It doesn't come off well because it's trying to make it seem like the very act of pointing out any racism is actually harming minorities. There are ways to say that racism is blamed too much without doing that. It's also shouting down an opposing position which is something you have suddenly become hypersensitive to.

You and others would be going nuts if people said your personal actions were actively harming minorities. Don't do it to those who consider racism a problem still.

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So what’s the point of posting this? To show that racism is still a big problem? We don’t know this wome’s montivations. Evan if she is a racist what’s your point? That this proves racism exists? Easier ways to get there.

There is this strange logic game that many people want to play where we say racism is this huge problem, and if you even ask people to clarify their thoughts then you have to assume they are racist, which is the clear accusation by FF here. Maybe Rick can deputize you.



There is also a need to say nothing is ever racist and even once established it becomes so what "deal with it". Easy to say when you aren't the one adversely effected by it.


What laws do you want changed to make society more “equal”? What specifically do you “deal” with because of racial bias?

You people act like it’s the 50s. (Meaning posters here.)



https://broadly.vice.com/en_us/article/ ... dy-reveals

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Assuming that stuff like this is racially motivated is lazy, close-minded, detrimental, and counter-productive. There is zero evidence that race had anything to do with it. Saying this isn't a court of law is nothing more than a deflection.

For the Twitter mob who loves to label people "racist", the irony here is that they are literally being racist. Or at least prejudiced.

I also love how the OP is 100% sure this was racial but can't provide a shred of evidence.


I don't need to prove anything. There is plenty of precedence and enough evidence in that video to infer racial motivation.


Great, then it should be no trouble at all to point out some specific examples of this evidence.


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Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
GoldenJet wrote:
leashyourkids wrote:
Assuming that stuff like this is racially motivated is lazy, close-minded, detrimental, and counter-productive. There is zero evidence that race had anything to do with it. Saying this isn't a court of law is nothing more than a deflection.

For the Twitter mob who loves to label people "racist", the irony here is that they are literally being racist. Or at least prejudiced.

I also love how the OP is 100% sure this was racial but can't provide a shred of evidence.


I don't need to prove anything. There is plenty of precedence and enough evidence in that video to infer racial motivation.


Great, then it should be no trouble at all to point out some specific examples of this evidence.


It's right there for ya, in black and white.

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GoldenJet wrote:
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leashyourkids wrote:
Assuming that stuff like this is racially motivated is lazy, close-minded, detrimental, and counter-productive. There is zero evidence that race had anything to do with it. Saying this isn't a court of law is nothing more than a deflection.

For the Twitter mob who loves to label people "racist", the irony here is that they are literally being racist. Or at least prejudiced.

I also love how the OP is 100% sure this was racial but can't provide a shred of evidence.


I don't need to prove anything. There is plenty of precedence and enough evidence in that video to infer racial motivation.


Great, then it should be no trouble at all to point out some specific examples of this evidence.


It's right there for ya, in black and white.


I mean, I suppose the fact that one person is one race and the other person (or people) are another race is necessary for racism to exist. Got anything else, or do you just assume all interactions between people of different races is racism until proven otherwise?


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So why does FF have such a desire to unreasonably label her racist?


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It doesn't come off well because it's trying to make it seem like the very act of pointing out any racism is actually harming minorities. There are ways to say that racism is blamed too much without doing that. It's also shouting down an opposing position which is something you have suddenly become hypersensitive to.

You and others would be going nuts if people said your personal actions were actively harming minorities. Don't do it to those who consider racism a problem still.


Let's just agree to disagree. There is too much emotion involved when discussing this topic, and we've already beat it up in other threads. I also have no interest in defending myself against accusations of racism. I'm not saying you said that, but I think that's the direction its headed, intentionally or not.

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So what’s the point of posting this? To show that racism is still a big problem? We don’t know this wome’s montivations. Evan if she is a racist what’s your point? That this proves racism exists? Easier ways to get there.

There is this strange logic game that many people want to play where we say racism is this huge problem, and if you even ask people to clarify their thoughts then you have to assume they are racist, which is the clear accusation by FF here. Maybe Rick can deputize you.



There is also a need to say nothing is ever racist and even once established it becomes so what "deal with it". Easy to say when you aren't the one adversely effected by it.


What laws do you want changed to make society more “equal”? What specifically do you “deal” with because of racial bias?

You people act like it’s the 50s. (Meaning posters here.)



https://broadly.vice.com/en_us/article/ ... dy-reveals

http://www.drugpolicy.org/issues/race-and-drug-war


Saying the stand your ground law is racist is stupid. There were zero controls on that study, and the law does not say shoot black people. I've already said the drug war is a miserable failure, and I would be happy to end prohibition.

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