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CH killin it.

The guy's got a helluva jib, but I think he's wrong on some points here.


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What is happening with the Trump Administration isn't intolerable. Or at the very least its no less intolerable than Obama inviting terror groups into the White House.


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What you really fear is that anyone whose jobs can be said to directly or indirectly immiserate large numbers of people -- perhaps various middle-management types? perhaps cops? -- will be protested, that they'll be hassled or shown up in front of their families or otherwise not allowed to compartmentalize their lives.


If we assume what someone does for a living isn't illegal, can't people earn a fucking living and not be hassled about it anymore? Now some line grunt or middle management type has to worry that he or she doesn't get a directive MANY will find "problematic" lest they get hassled and harassed by those who disagree with it, or even try to force them to resign their positions at completely unrelated jobs if they happen to agree with that legal thing? Give me a break, dude.


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we will reform policing by spreading their home addresses and harrassing them and their families in public. that'll make them love us.


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https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/25/opinion/trump-sarah-huckabee-sanders-restaurant-civility.html

Let's just kick all of the Trump supporters out of the country.


Sigh scary line of thinking.


Did you read the column? It's not scary.

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Instead, some progressive celebrities have said some bad words, and some people have treated administration officials with the sort of public opprobrium due members of any other white nationalist organization. Liberals are using their cultural power against the right because it’s the only power they have left, and people have a desperate need to say, and to hear others say, that what is happening in this country is intolerable.

Sometimes, their strategies may be poorly conceived. But there’s an abusive sort of victim-blaming in demanding that progressives single-handedly uphold civility, lest the right become even more uncivil in response.

This is accurate, and I don't even like Michelle Goldberg. We're seeing what was the downright meanest political movement in recent history now start screaming "be nice to us!!!"

Not true. The "cosmopolitan" liberals were such condescending assholes that people actually voted for Donald Trump. Call people rednecks and religious zealots for two generations, and they're gonna turn on ya. Now the new expression is that they're not cosmopolitan? Come on.

As far as meanness goes, the writer conflates Trump and his minions with all the evil in the world. This (Goldberg's column) is partisan bullshit, not analysis.



It's really shocking how much some of these people had invested in Hillary Clinton. It's like her loss was a personal affront rather than an election like the ones we have every four years. I heard Trump last night say that Clinton was a great candidate and he was just a better one. Of course that dope was patting himself on the back as usual, but maybe he was right. Her supporters are diehards. And they just can't accept that she lost. It's almost as if she created a cult.

Guaranteed when a woman finally does win the presidency, whether it's Gillibrand or Haley someone else, Hillary Clinton will stand up and take credit and her supporters will cheer her on.

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Curious Hair definitely a Hillary lover.

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What you really fear is that anyone whose jobs can be said to directly or indirectly immiserate large numbers of people -- perhaps various middle-management types? perhaps cops? -- will be protested, that they'll be hassled or shown up in front of their families or otherwise not allowed to compartmentalize their lives.


If we assume what someone does for a living isn't illegal, can't people earn a fucking living and not be hassled about it anymore? Now some line grunt or middle management type has to worry that he or she doesn't get a directive MANY will find "problematic" lest they get hassled and harassed by those who disagree with it, or even try to force them to resign their positions at completely unrelated jobs if they happen to agree with that legal thing? Give me a break, dude.


Well, I don't think we need to stand outside a line grunt's house and blast boomboxes playing crying children (Peter Gabriel, maybe). But I don't think the people who work for Trump are entitled to do what they do and go home completely untrammeled by how their decisions affect people.

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Curious Hair definitely a Hillary lover.

Stop trolling.

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Paralyzing our entire society? Our entire society doesn't live around Washington. I think you're giving away the game here: you don't really give a shit about whatever sorts of minor inconveniences one Trump toady or another has to endure while standing in line at a deli, which is what this is about. What you really fear is that anyone whose jobs can be said to directly or indirectly immiserate large numbers of people -- perhaps various middle-management types? perhaps cops? -- will be protested, that they'll be hassled or shown up in front of their families or otherwise not allowed to compartmentalize their lives.


Do you think this stops with the administration. Chicago bar is banning MAGA hats. Do you think people are not being shamed for their political views in certain professions already? What would happen if a humanities professor came out as a Republican at a liberal university?

It's becoming the other side is evil rather than we are united Americans with a differing set of opinions.

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Curious Hair wrote:
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Curious Hair definitely a Hillary lover.

Stop trolling.


I didn't think I needed an eyeroll in there.

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Terry's Peeps wrote:
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Curious Hair definitely a Hillary lover.

Stop trolling.


I didn't think I needed an eyeroll in there.

Hey, he's a HRC fan, but still the best poster on the board.


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It's becoming the other side is evil rather than we are united Americans with a differing set of opinions.

That's probably a good thing. Politics is about fighting for limited resources, not rooting for civility and teamwork. Republicans know that.

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What you really fear is that anyone whose jobs can be said to directly or indirectly immiserate large numbers of people -- perhaps various middle-management types? perhaps cops? -- will be protested, that they'll be hassled or shown up in front of their families or otherwise not allowed to compartmentalize their lives.


If we assume what someone does for a living isn't illegal, can't people earn a fucking living and not be hassled about it anymore? Now some line grunt or middle management type has to worry that he or she doesn't get a directive MANY will find "problematic" lest they get hassled and harassed by those who disagree with it, or even try to force them to resign their positions at completely unrelated jobs if they happen to agree with that legal thing? Give me a break, dude.

Isn't this just the free market though combined with freedom of speech(which now suddenly is a concept that isn't relegated only to the government)?

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Curious Hair definitely a Hillary lover.

Stop trolling.


I didn't think I needed an eyeroll in there.

Hey, he's a HRC fan, but still the best poster on the board.

:lol:

Stop it.

Hair hates Hillary.

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What you really fear is that anyone whose jobs can be said to directly or indirectly immiserate large numbers of people -- perhaps various middle-management types? perhaps cops? -- will be protested, that they'll be hassled or shown up in front of their families or otherwise not allowed to compartmentalize their lives.


If we assume what someone does for a living isn't illegal, can't people earn a fucking living and not be hassled about it anymore? Now some line grunt or middle management type has to worry that he or she doesn't get a directive MANY will find "problematic" lest they get hassled and harassed by those who disagree with it, or even try to force them to resign their positions at completely unrelated jobs if they happen to agree with that legal thing? Give me a break, dude.

Isn't this just the free market though combined with freedom of speech(which now suddenly is a concept that isn't relegated only to the government)?


Why is it so difficult for you to understand the distinction between thinking something should be illegal and thinking that something just shouldn't happen?

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Well, I don't think we need to stand outside a line grunt's house and blast boomboxes playing crying children (Peter Gabriel, maybe). But I don't think the people who work for Trump are entitled to do what they do and go home completely untrammeled by how their decisions affect people.

Everyone who has the office for the last 100 years has had to make decisions that have wound up with women and children being killed violently. Its the nature of the job. If this is really what people find intolerable then they have very little understanding of what presidents have been doing in this country since Ted Roosevelt (and before that even).


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I don't know about CH, but Michelle Goldberg definitely is.

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It's becoming the other side is evil rather than we are united Americans with a differing set of opinions.

That's probably a good thing. Politics is about fighting for limited resources, not rooting for civility and teamwork. Republicans know that.


So we should not work together. We should assume the other side is evil. And we should not publicly associate with the other side. That's suggesting we are closer to civil war than a functioning democracy.

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tommy wrote:
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Curious Hair definitely a Hillary lover.

Stop trolling.


I didn't think I needed an eyeroll in there.

Hey, he's a HRC fan, but still the best poster on the board.

Oh for fucks sake...

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Do you think this stops with the administration. Chicago bar is banning MAGA hats. Do you think people are not being shamed for their political views in certain professions already? What would happen if a humanities professor came out as a Republican at a liberal university?

It's becoming the other side is evil rather than we are united Americans with a differing set of opinions.

The unity is over. At least for now. One set of opinions is going to win and another set of opinions is going to lose.

Once that is settled we can go back to unity.


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Curious Hair wrote:
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It's becoming the other side is evil rather than we are united Americans with a differing set of opinions.

That's probably a good thing. Politics is about fighting for limited resources, not rooting for civility and teamwork. Republicans know that.


Yeah I am not really certain why there is this media driven idea that all must be happy happy with regard to politics and specifically DC. Sure in the past it may have had a high level of decorum there were some pretty harsh battles and standoffs over time.

I am sure in the times of battle in the Reagan - Tip O'Neil era it was brutal but behind the scenes.

It seems like there was some push not that long ago when Republicans were in charge that the media lean was to encourage news about cooperation and bipartisanship.

At any rate I am rambling and the disagreement and battles is not the problem its the surrounding hysteria that is ugly.

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I don't know about CH, but Michelle Goldberg definitely is.


A female writer for the New York Times is a Hillary lover?

The hell you say!

You extrapolate that half the country wants to overturn an election based on a newspaper column from the Times. That's almost as bad as thinking half the country hates brown people and wants gays to be murdered based on watching Hannity.

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Well, I don't think we need to stand outside a line grunt's house and blast boomboxes playing crying children (Peter Gabriel, maybe). But I don't think the people who work for Trump are entitled to do what they do and go home completely untrammeled by how their decisions affect people.

Everyone who has the office for the last 100 years has had to make decisions that have wound up with women and children being killed violently. Its the nature of the job. If this is really what people find intolerable then they have very little understanding of what presidents have been doing in this country since Ted Roosevelt (and before that even).



This is why I think the screaming about children is completely disingenuous. The people who are leading this aren't stupid. They know full well what you say above is true. And so the selective outrage is about one thing- #RESISTANCE. It's really just another pussy hat.

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I don't want the election overturned. I want Republicans voted out of office.

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Curious Hair wrote:
What you really fear is that anyone whose jobs can be said to directly or indirectly immiserate large numbers of people -- perhaps various middle-management types? perhaps cops? -- will be protested, that they'll be hassled or shown up in front of their families or otherwise not allowed to compartmentalize their lives.


If we assume what someone does for a living isn't illegal, can't people earn a fucking living and not be hassled about it anymore? Now some line grunt or middle management type has to worry that he or she doesn't get a directive MANY will find "problematic" lest they get hassled and harassed by those who disagree with it, or even try to force them to resign their positions at completely unrelated jobs if they happen to agree with that legal thing? Give me a break, dude.

Isn't this just the free market though combined with freedom of speech(which now suddenly is a concept that isn't relegated only to the government)?


People shouldn't harass or campaign to get people fired who do or agree with things which they do not, but not because I think their ability to do hassle/campaign should be restricted, but because society would grind to a halt if every "fire these people" campaign got its wish.

Let's say that sometime this evening, every non-minority person in the country who had ever said the n-word is fired from their job (if they have one). How much useful work would be done tomorrow?


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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
Curious Hair wrote:
What you really fear is that anyone whose jobs can be said to directly or indirectly immiserate large numbers of people -- perhaps various middle-management types? perhaps cops? -- will be protested, that they'll be hassled or shown up in front of their families or otherwise not allowed to compartmentalize their lives.


If we assume what someone does for a living isn't illegal, can't people earn a fucking living and not be hassled about it anymore? Now some line grunt or middle management type has to worry that he or she doesn't get a directive MANY will find "problematic" lest they get hassled and harassed by those who disagree with it, or even try to force them to resign their positions at completely unrelated jobs if they happen to agree with that legal thing? Give me a break, dude.

Isn't this just the free market though combined with freedom of speech(which now suddenly is a concept that isn't relegated only to the government)?


Why is it so difficult for you to understand the distinction between thinking something should be illegal and thinking that something just shouldn't happen?


There seems to be confusion about the first amendment for sure especially among young people. There seems to have been though a "spirit" that an individual had some free speech rights in their daily lives that rarely cause them trouble. In the present climate there is little room for that thought as everyone is wanting to shut down anything they do not like.

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You extrapolate that half the country wants to overturn an election based on a newspaper column from the Times.


That's wrong. There's a whole lot more to support my contention than a single column. Anyway, I don't believe half of Americans want to overturn the election, but there are a large number that do, and probably close to half wouldn't be too upset about it, at least not right away.

Do you think the Trump administration is a white nationalist organization?

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I don't want the election overturned. I want Republicans voted out of office.



Then vote them out the way it's always been done and stop advocating for yelling at them like lunatics while they're eating dinner with their families.

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You extrapolate that half the country wants to overturn an election based on a newspaper column from the Times.


That's wrong. There's a whole lot more to support my contention than a single column. Anyway, I don't believe half of Americans want to overturn the election, but there are a large number that do, and probably close to half wouldn't be too upset about it, at least not right away.

Do you think the Trump administration is a white nationalist organization?


As a whole, no.

I have no idea what each individual member of the administration feels, and I wouldn't be surprised if there were a couple white power people in there.

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I don't want the election overturned. I want Republicans voted out of office.


In the mean time it might be best to not protest that they won in the first place, and to establish some sort of decorum for future election results. If Sanders wins is it fine to say he has dangerous ideas so best to investigate him, and treat him like an enemy of the state. It could easily become the norm if an "outsider" is elected.

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Why is it so difficult for you to understand the distinction between thinking something should be illegal and thinking that something just shouldn't happen?
Is that really the discussion? Of course an individual can disagree with the actions of a group. I do all the time too. However, we are often told to trust the free market and that's part of the free market.

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