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People shouldn't harass or campaign to get people fired who do or agree with things which they do not, but not because I think their ability to do hassle/campaign should be restricted, but because society would grind to a halt if every "fire these people" campaign got its wish.
The free market will solve that too.

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That's the problem for the companies who are making those decisions.

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I don't want the election overturned. I want Republicans voted out of office.


In the mean time it might be best to not protest that they won in the first place, and to establish some sort of decorum for future election results. If Sanders wins is it fine to say he has dangerous ideas so best to investigate him, and treat him like an enemy of the state. It could easily become the norm if an "outsider" is elected.

If Sanders by some miracle ever wins an executive office he is going to being investigated to high hell anyway. This idea that the Democrats better mind their manners now because otherwise the Republicans won't be nice to them when it's their turn in office has been proven false time and time again. The Republicans are going to resume acting in bad faith and refusing to compromise regardless of how nice or mean the Democrats act when they're the ones out of power.


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Yes, of course, the Left are such poor little babies.

After having 8 years of a Liberal darling president (who won the Nobel Peace Prize for... existing?), American voters made a statement by electing someone who did not subscribe to the ideology of the last ten presidents that was screwing the working class and propping up other economies. That person also happens to be quite a loudmouth.

After this election, the Left (and the establishment in general) has done nothing but try to undermine the decision of half the country through fake Russian investigations, irrelevant stories about hookers, and the fact that he's just plain MEAN! His policies haven't been that far from his predecessor, but the media chooses to portray him as some kind of monster and the general public eats it up. Hook, line, and sinker. While this is happening, it is now socially acceptable to ostracize his voters, threaten violence against his administration, call his base racist retards from middle America who have no critical thinking skills, and outright ban people from establishments if they support him. Oh, and I shouldn't forget the liberal use of the word "Nazi" to describe him despite the fact that I'm unaware of any genocide he has started. In fact, he even bent and signed an EO to pacify the babies who were whining about his immigration policy despite the fact that no one said shit when his predecessor did very similar things!

The current Left in this country is a walking, talking pile of hypocrisy and childishness. They don't want anything to change because then they couldn't bitch about it on the internet. They'd much rather walk around whining and threatening to harass people because of their politics so that they can be victims and be REALLY.DARN.MAD about this stuff that is all "above politics" (even though it's not). That's much easier than going out and spreading a real message of help to the working class and getting people excited enough to vote.

The only thing that makes this funny is that none of these crybabies is a threat because none of them could go a day without middle America growing their food and giving them the basic necessities that they probably think just magically appear at Whole Foods and Target.

Donald Trump and his administration aren't that different from any other administration. He just doesn't pretend to be civil, and that offends everyone's sensibilities. Cowboy the fuck up and go change it through the political system if you don't like it.

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I don't want the election overturned. I want Republicans voted out of office.


In the mean time it might be best to not protest that they won in the first place, and to establish some sort of decorum for future election results. If Sanders wins is it fine to say he has dangerous ideas so best to investigate him, and treat him like an enemy of the state. It could easily become the norm if an "outsider" is elected.

If Sanders by some miracle ever wins an executive office he is going to being investigated to high hell anyway. This idea that the Democrats better mind their manners now because otherwise the Republicans won't be nice to them when it's their turn in office has been proven false time and time again. The Republicans are going to resume acting in bad faith and refusing to compromise regardless of how nice or mean the Democrats act when they're the ones out of power.


It goes beyond playing nice. Feel free to filibuster. This is taking it into daily life, and working to actively delegitimize an elected president.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 26, 2018 10:28 am 
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Yes, of course, the Left are such poor little babies.

After having 8 years of a Liberal darling president (who won the Nobel Peace Prize for... existing?), American voters made a statement by electing someone who did not subscribe to the ideology of the last ten presidents that was screwing the working class and propping up other economies. That person also happens to be quite a loudmouth.

After this election, the Left (and the establishment in general) has done nothing but try to undermine the decision of half the country through fake Russian investigations, irrelevant stories about hookers, and the fact that he's just plain MEAN! His policies haven't been that far from his predecessor, but the media chooses to portray him as some kind of monster and the general public eats it up. Hook, line, and sinker. While this is happening, it is now socially acceptable to ostracize his voters, threaten violence against his administration, call his base racist retards from middle America who have no critical thinking skills, and outright ban people from establishments if they support him. Oh, and I shouldn't forget the liberal use of the word "Nazi" to describe him despite the fact that I'm unaware of any genocide he has started. In fact, he even bent and signed an EO to pacify the babies who were whining about his immigration policy despite the fact that no one said shit when his predecessor did very similar things!

The current Left in this country is a walking, talking pile of hypocrisy and childishness. They don't want anything to change because then they couldn't bitch about it on the internet. They'd much rather walk around whining and threatening to harass people because of their politics so that they can be victims and be REALLY.DARN.MAD about this stuff that is all "above politics" (even though it's not). That's much easier than going out and spreading a real message of help to the working class and getting people excited enough to vote.

The only thing that makes this funny is that none of these crybabies is a threat because none of them could go a day without middle America growing their food and giving them the basic necessities that they probably think just magically appear at Whole Foods and Target.

Donald Trump and his administration aren't that different from any other administration. He just doesn't pretend to be civil, and that offends everyone's sensibilities. Cowboy the fuck up and go change it through the political system if you don't like it.

Sounds like you and Bernie Sanders have a lot of disagreements now.

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Yes, of course, the Left are such poor little babies.

After having 8 years of a Liberal darling president (who won the Nobel Peace Prize for... existing?), American voters made a statement by electing someone who did not subscribe to the ideology of the last ten presidents that was screwing the working class and propping up other economies. That person also happens to be quite a loudmouth.

After this election, the Left (and the establishment in general) has done nothing but try to undermine the decision of half the country through fake Russian investigations, irrelevant stories about hookers, and the fact that he's just plain MEAN! His policies haven't been that far from his predecessor, but the media chooses to portray him as some kind of monster and the general public eats it up. Hook, line, and sinker. While this is happening, it is now socially acceptable to ostracize his voters, threaten violence against his administration, call his base racist retards from middle America who have no critical thinking skills, and outright ban people from establishments if they support him. Oh, and I shouldn't forget the liberal use of the word "Nazi" to describe him despite the fact that I'm unaware of any genocide he has started. In fact, he even bent and signed an EO to pacify the babies who were whining about his immigration policy despite the fact that no one said shit when his predecessor did very similar things!

The current Left in this country is a walking, talking pile of hypocrisy and childishness. They don't want anything to change because then they couldn't bitch about it on the internet. They'd much rather walk around whining and threatening to harass people because of their politics so that they can be victims and be REALLY.DARN.MAD about this stuff that is all "above politics" (even though it's not). That's much easier than going out and spreading a real message of help to the working class and getting people excited enough to vote.

The only thing that makes this funny is that none of these crybabies is a threat because none of them could go a day without middle America growing their food and giving them the basic necessities that they probably think just magically appear at Whole Foods and Target.

Donald Trump and his administration aren't that different from any other administration. He just doesn't pretend to be civil, and that offends everyone's sensibilities. Cowboy the fuck up and go change it through the political system if you don't like it.

Sounds like you and Bernie Sanders have a lot of disagreements now.


Policy-wise? Sure. But Bernie Sanders is the epitome of what the Left should be doing. He doesn't go around acting hysterical and talking about Russian investigations. He talks about the actual wealth gap and how he would fix it.

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Bernie Sanders is constantly calling out Trump and his supporters for the things you are talking about.

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Bernie Sanders is constantly calling out Trump and his supporters for the things you are talking about.


Bernie Sanders may say some things about Trump personally (specifically regarding his affinity for dictators), but he doesn't insult his voters. Instead, he talks about how they have been forgotten by the Democratic party which is why Trump was elected. If you don't see the difference between Sanders and other Democrats when discussing this phenomenon, I don't know what to tell you.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 26, 2018 11:23 am 
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I don't want the election overturned. I want Republicans voted out of office.

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Bernie Sanders is constantly calling out Trump and his supporters for the things you are talking about.


Bernie Sanders may say some things about Trump personally (specifically regarding his affinity for dictators), but he doesn't insult his voters. Instead, he talks about how they have been forgotten by the Democratic party which is why Trump was elected. If you don't see the difference between Sanders and other Democrats when discussing this phenomenon, I don't know what to tell you.

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Give leash a break, he is new to being an outraged, conservative voter. It takes awhile for the Sandwich Outdoorsman Club to give him the best talking points.

But damnit he knows his home and lifestyle are under siege by liberals and by God he will defend the only thing he has ever known.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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Bernie Sanders is constantly calling out Trump and his supporters for the things you are talking about.


Bernie Sanders may say some things about Trump personally (specifically regarding his affinity for dictators), but he doesn't insult his voters. Instead, he talks about how they have been forgotten by the Democratic party which is why Trump was elected. If you don't see the difference between Sanders and other Democrats when discussing this phenomenon, I don't know what to tell you.

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Can you point me to where Sanders insulted Trump voters?

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"anti-Republican"
"someone who is trying to win votes by dividing our nation up based on the color of our skin, our country of origin, our religion, our gender or our sexual orientation."
"The political revolution will happen when people decide to stand up, fight back, get involved, and run for office."

Those are all shots at the people who voted for Donald Trump. Who is he winning votes from? Who are they fighting back against?

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I don't want the election overturned. I want Republicans voted out of office.


I want term limits at all levels of government. Plus,mandatory retirement for all employees 20 years and you are done.
There is no way that people making $174000 a year should be worth $120 million after 30 years in office.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
"anti-Republican"
"someone who is trying to win votes by dividing our nation up based on the color of our skin, our country of origin, our religion, our gender or our sexual orientation."
"The political revolution will happen when people decide to stand up, fight back, get involved, and run for office."

Those are all shots at the people who voted for Donald Trump. Who is he winning votes from? Who are they fighting back against?


Is this a joke? Those are not shots at his voters; they are shots at Trump. Hillary Clinton literally called them "undesirables." They're fighting back against Trump AND the establishment. If you think Bernie Sanders only rails Trump, you're just wrong. He probably loathes Democratic leadership equally.

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How about this.

Donald Trump won the election by dividing our nation up based on the color of our skin, our country of origin, our religion, our gender or our sexual orientation.

Is that a shot against the people who voted for him?

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Trump didn't do the dividing.


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How about this.

Donald Trump won the election by dividing our nation up based on the color of our skin, our country of origin, our religion, our gender or our sexual orientation.

Is that a shot against the people who voted for him?


No, it's literally a direct shot at Donald Trump. And I'm done doing this. It's just a semantics argument that has completely strayed from the original point so that you could try to pin me in some sort of imaginary corner that only you see.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 26, 2018 12:03 pm 
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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
"anti-Republican"
"someone who is trying to win votes by dividing our nation up based on the color of our skin, our country of origin, our religion, our gender or our sexual orientation."
"The political revolution will happen when people decide to stand up, fight back, get involved, and run for office."

Those are all shots at the people who voted for Donald Trump. Who is he winning votes from? Who are they fighting back against?


Is this a joke? Those are not shots at his voters; they are shots at Trump. Hillary Clinton literally called them "undesirables." They're fighting back against Trump AND the establishment. If you think Bernie Sanders only rails Trump, you're just wrong. He probably loathes Democratic leadership equally.

Which is why he will get no sympathy when he tries to get their nomination again and they tell him to go pound again.


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Trump didn't do the dividing.

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A far left group of black radicals committed two terror attacks on American soil and got a friendly meeting with the president. But it was Trump who caused all this division.


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How about this.

Donald Trump won the election by dividing our nation up based on the color of our skin, our country of origin, our religion, our gender or our sexual orientation.

Is that a shot against the people who voted for him?


No, it's literally a direct shot at Donald Trump. And I'm done doing this. It's just a semantics argument that has completely strayed from the original point so that you could try to pin me in some sort of imaginary corner that only you see.

You mean the corner of attacking me for saying things far less liberal than the guy you used to proudly support in here?

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
leashyourkids wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
How about this.

Donald Trump won the election by dividing our nation up based on the color of our skin, our country of origin, our religion, our gender or our sexual orientation.

Is that a shot against the people who voted for him?


No, it's literally a direct shot at Donald Trump. And I'm done doing this. It's just a semantics argument that has completely strayed from the original point so that you could try to pin me in some sort of imaginary corner that only you see.

You mean the corner of attacking me for saying things far less liberal than the guy you used to proudly support in here?



I say this honestly: I have never met anyone more obsessed with labels than you are.

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Yes, of course, the Left are such poor little babies.

After having 8 years of a Liberal darling president (who won the Nobel Peace Prize for... existing?), American voters made a statement by electing someone who did not subscribe to the ideology of the last ten presidents that was screwing the working class and propping up other economies. That person also happens to be quite a loudmouth.

After this election, the Left (and the establishment in general) has done nothing but try to undermine the decision of half the country through fake Russian investigations, irrelevant stories about hookers, and the fact that he's just plain MEAN! His policies haven't been that far from his predecessor, but the media chooses to portray him as some kind of monster and the general public eats it up. Hook, line, and sinker. While this is happening, it is now socially acceptable to ostracize his voters, threaten violence against his administration, call his base racist retards from middle America who have no critical thinking skills, and outright ban people from establishments if they support him. Oh, and I shouldn't forget the liberal use of the word "Nazi" to describe him despite the fact that I'm unaware of any genocide he has started. In fact, he even bent and signed an EO to pacify the babies who were whining about his immigration policy despite the fact that no one said shit when his predecessor did very similar things!

The current Left in this country is a walking, talking pile of hypocrisy and childishness. They don't want anything to change because then they couldn't bitch about it on the internet. They'd much rather walk around whining and threatening to harass people because of their politics so that they can be victims and be REALLY.DARN.MAD about this stuff that is all "above politics" (even though it's not). That's much easier than going out and spreading a real message of help to the working class and getting people excited enough to vote.

The only thing that makes this funny is that none of these crybabies is a threat because none of them could go a day without middle America growing their food and giving them the basic necessities that they probably think just magically appear at Whole Foods and Target.

Donald Trump and his administration aren't that different from any other administration. He just doesn't pretend to be civil, and that offends everyone's sensibilities. Cowboy the fuck up and go change it through the political system if you don't like it.

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A far left group of black radicals committed two terror attacks on American soil and got a friendly meeting with the president. But it was Trump who caused all this division.

Your talking points are 12 years out of date. Get new ones.


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irrelevant stories about hookers,


The Right drafted impeachment plans and wasted tens of millions of dollars when Clinton got a blowjob. Who you crappin?


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The Right drafted impeachment plans and wasted tens of millions of dollars when Clinton got a blowjob. Who you crappin?


Are you of the belief that I supported that? That was also 20 years ago. That's a bit of a stretch for a "gotcha" even if I had supported it.

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They did all of that because he lied under oath. If any sitting President perjured himself, his opposing party would draft impeachment plans faster than Quintana blows a three run lead.

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irrelevant stories about hookers,


The Right drafted impeachment plans and wasted tens of millions of dollars when Clinton got a blowjob. Who you crappin?


Are you of the belief that I supported that? That was also 20 years ago. That's a bit of a stretch for a "gotcha" even if I had supported it.

Your the same guy that wrote about me when I didn't happen to mention prior administrations/history and what they did, and how that was the "WRONG" thing to do. Don't crap me now!
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How about this.

Donald Trump won the election by dividing our nation up based on the color of our skin, our country of origin, our religion, our gender or our sexual orientation.

Is that a shot against the people who voted for him?


No, it's literally a direct shot at Donald Trump. And I'm done doing this. It's just a semantics argument that has completely strayed from the original point so that you could try to pin me in some sort of imaginary corner that only you see.

You mean the corner of attacking me for saying things far less liberal than the guy you used to proudly support in here?



I say this honestly: I have never met anyone more obsessed with labels than you are.
Calling Bernie Sanders a liberal may be a label but it's also one that he would proudly proclaim as true.

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