http://www.chicagobusiness.com/article/ ... s-20180627


About fucking time!

Yep. As long as QCP and the like dont go crying to the union to save his job when he fucks up , yeah feel free not to join.

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It aint the six minutes. Its what happens in those six minutes.

If you really want to make it fair, the folks that don’t pay dues should have to negotiate their own deal like all non-union employees. The free rider problem is real. If the union gets good value for its members, then they deserve the dues. But I agree one should not be compelled to pay dues.

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I'm not sure why the hell it's not that way in the first place.

You're free to choose in or out, but if you're out, you're out, and you get nothing and like it.

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Power is always in the hands of the masses of men. What oppresses the masses is their own ignorance, their own short-sighted selfishness.
- Henry George

Sorry, but that doesn't logically follow.

If you want out, then you can cut your own deal and are very likely to get a similar, if not the same deal, as your fellow worker.

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Yeah it baffles me. I guess because they forced you in, so it didn’t matter. No way in hell anyone should get a free ride. Unions have served a mighty important purpose in this country. But like all else, they need to earn their keep but not be exploited.

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Yeah, great! More power for the elites, less power for ordinary people! Further eviscerating organized labor will really help with ameliorating economic inequality, too!

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Yeah it is weird the way this works. A "free rider" can be taking advantage of the union but there clearly is more that goes into the union spending the dues. Perhaps because they know they will not be able to yield the power they once did the union should break out the PAC portion of their expenditures?

In other words, bring all these employees into the fold but allow opt out of simply the 20% or whatever of dues that goes to political spending and endorsing.

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I think that’s what we’re saying. I assume Don meant it that way. I know I did.

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Sure but medical benefits and their costs as well as pensions and many other things are union only.

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Public sector unions are problematic on many levels. Most importantly, they are often bargaining with people they help elect and work for non-profit seeking entities.

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Hate to break it to you, but you can put in Union bosses/leaders in those "elites" too.

Unions are such a weird thing public or otherwise. They certainly historically did great things and still do some good. Many of us have close relations to members and that also colors are stances.

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Yeah, Andrew Carnegie and Eugene Debs: Same Guy.

The rise in economic inequality over the past 40 years directly correlates with the gradual de-unionization of American society. There is some coincidence here, but a lot of causality as well.

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There's hardly anything unique about the first half of your statement. And the second half of your statement ignores the fact that many governmental agencies now operate on a neoliberal economic model that leads to abusive labor practices and thus makes union representation essential.

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It also correlates to the opening of other markets. Tough to compete as a union when you can ship the job to Vietnam or China and pay the worker pennies a day. And there are no environmental concerns there either. Do what you will.

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Why are only 14 percent of black CPS 11th-graders proficient in English?

Yeah, maybe allowing corporate lobbyists to write our trade deals isn't such a great idea.

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That is a bit of a wild card that was unknown in the halcyon days of the unions. When I was young there just wasn't really any acknowledgement that the job/factory etc would just disappear. Somewhere between when the organized labor movement began and where we are now there was a tipping point. One side appears to have missed that point more than the other.

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The entire matter is badly intertwined. How in the world could you picture a protectionist US with all the necessary tariffs (oddly enough right?) to have kept the union labor picture of 1970?

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Then companies will do without employees and use robots.

The trucking industry currently has thousands of high paying jobs that are unfilled. This is just one example.

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Yeah, I've seen CDL training, no experience needed, 3-5K signing bonus in trucking.

I think we are on the same side. I just have a personal feeling from the past about unions.

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I know many people personally that exist as they are refusing to do something as simple like this to better themselves. Is it all people absolutely not. But geez try something when things are not working out.

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The problem with the "hollowing out" of the American industrial sector first arises as a result of the economic policies the U.S. adopted following WWII. In an effort to reconstruct the Western European economies and foster capitalist development among the "Asian Tigers," the U.S. positioned itself as the "consumer of last resort" for the world's surplus manufactured goods. We largely abandoned protectionist strategies while allowing economies around the world to remain closed. This strategy initially succeeded but began to backfire by the mid-1960s due to the unexpectedly rapid development of "planned" economies abroad. The emergence of internationally competitive industrial production combined with protectionism abroad undermined the American industrial sector. The U.S. allowed this to happen to maintain/strengthen military alliances across the globe.

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Same here. They are in their mid to late 30's, haven't worked in a while, yet these opportunities are 15-20 minutes from their house. They refuse to even try.

public sector unions don't stand for ordinary people. They stand for government cronies who gouge taxpayers and protect bad employees. Fuck them. Look no further than our police unions and teacher unions.

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“When I walked in this morning, and saw the flag was at half mast, I thought 'alright another bureaucrat ate it.'" - Ron Swanson

You do realize this ruling is about public sector unions, right?

If you want to know why Illinois is so fucked up, look no further than the power these organizations hold over elected representatives.

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“When I walked in this morning, and saw the flag was at half mast, I thought 'alright another bureaucrat ate it.'" - Ron Swanson

Lotta scabs in this thread, this a bad day for America.

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Yep. I don't have issue with unions/private sector, get what you can. I do have a problem with unions who gouge middle class taxpayers.

I did as well, yes. You don't have to be part of the union, but you're not going to reap any benefit(s) from the union if you're out.

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Power is always in the hands of the masses of men. What oppresses the masses is their own ignorance, their own short-sighted selfishness.
- Henry George