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CH and Rick seem to be on the right track here. SF is special and would be less so likely if the landscape was drastically changed. Therefore, people and companies need to make the tough decisions. Deal with the higher costs due to supply and demand, move or change in some other new way.

Maybe people will have to accept they can visit SF easily anytime but cannot live there?

Exactly. There is a reason huge companies are choosing to be there and not a place like Sacramento.


It is a great city, and CA has top notch universities. I don’t like Cali’s politics, but there is a lot to like in Cali. The country benefits greatly from Silicon Valley.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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CH and Rick seem to be on the right track here. SF is special and would be less so likely if the landscape was drastically changed. Therefore, people and companies need to make the tough decisions. Deal with the higher costs due to supply and demand, move or change in some other new way.

Maybe people will have to accept they can visit SF easily anytime but cannot live there?

Exactly. There is a reason huge companies are choosing to be there and not a place like Sacramento.


It is a great city, and CA has top notch universities. I don’t like Cali’s politics, but there is a lot to like in Cali. The country benefits greatly from Silicon Valley.

In 10 years we'll be saying this about Austin, TX. That's the new Silicon Valley.

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Austin, Boston, San Diego, Seattle, Denver all have tech/biotech industries. It’s not a zero sum game.

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I can't read the article so I can only go off the headline but who cares? There are restaurants everywhere in San Francisco.


No shit, you went to Purdue after all.

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Austin, Boston, San Diego, Seattle, Denver all have tech/biotech industries. It’s not a zero sum game.


Yep their are many areas that can and will be trendy and tech producing. It is really a nothing story simply economics really.

Not to bring out the old wage discussion but this is really the way it should work. If in SF the climate demands $20 per hour minimum and in Austin $12 but in Peoria $8 then that is what it is.

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I can't read the article so I can only go off the headline but who cares? There are restaurants everywhere in San Francisco.


Informed input.
Well, don't post an article behind a paywall then.


Can you do anything for yourself?

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A Purdue Grad can't figure out how to open a browser in Incognito mode.
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Austin, Boston, San Diego, Seattle, Denver all have tech/biotech industries. It’s not a zero sum game.

It's certainly not zero sum, but I see Austin as having the largest potential of them due to the economic conditions in Texas. It's very business friendly to say the least.

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A Purdue Grad can't figure out how to open a browser in Incognito mode.
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He asked ITaP for help, he's still waiting on their assistance.

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denisdman wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
pittmike wrote:
CH and Rick seem to be on the right track here. SF is special and would be less so likely if the landscape was drastically changed. Therefore, people and companies need to make the tough decisions. Deal with the higher costs due to supply and demand, move or change in some other new way.

Maybe people will have to accept they can visit SF easily anytime but cannot live there?

Exactly. There is a reason huge companies are choosing to be there and not a place like Sacramento.


It is a great city, and CA has top notch universities. I don’t like Cali’s politics, but there is a lot to like in Cali. The country benefits greatly from Silicon Valley.



Yeah, there is a lot to like in Cal. But it is very expensive to live over-all in this state particularly people just getting started in their working careers. As for SF, it used to be a lot better than it is now with the people shooting up on the streets, crime extremely high, and people begging for money.

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A Purdue Grad can't figure out how to open a browser in Incognito mode.
:lol:

I didn't know that tip. Thanks!

Time to steal content!

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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A Purdue Grad can't figure out how to open a browser in Incognito mode.
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I didn't know that tip. Thanks!

Time to steal content!


Free market at work.

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Now that I've read the article my response is the same. Who cares? Fast casual places have you do the same. If these restaurants can offer an option worth the inconvienece then good for them.

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Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
denisdman wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
pittmike wrote:
CH and Rick seem to be on the right track here. SF is special and would be less so likely if the landscape was drastically changed. Therefore, people and companies need to make the tough decisions. Deal with the higher costs due to supply and demand, move or change in some other new way.

Maybe people will have to accept they can visit SF easily anytime but cannot live there?

Exactly. There is a reason huge companies are choosing to be there and not a place like Sacramento.


It is a great city, and CA has top notch universities. I don’t like Cali’s politics, but there is a lot to like in Cali. The country benefits greatly from Silicon Valley.


In 10 years we'll be saying this about Austin, TX. That's the new Silicon Valley.


Austin is a great place for a number of reasons. My wife and I thought awhile back of moving to Austin but my job took me back to California and we decided to do the "safe thing" and decided against Austin. It worked out I guess and despite my bitching about the politics of the state and its taxes we've had a pretty good life out here.

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Yeah, she wouldn't have won, but I still can't believe HRC didn't even put forth effort in Texas with the way many parts are going blue. Easily the worst fucking POTUS campaign i have seen. In many ways we deserve Trump.


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Yeah, she wouldn't have won, but I still can't believe HRC didn't even put forth effort in Texas with the way many parts are going blue. Easily the worst fucking POTUS campaign i have seen. In many ways we deserve Trump.


Your right about that. Hillary thought that after she got past old Bernie, that it was going to be easy to beat Trump. Of course, so did the main "leaders" of that party. The Democratic Party had taken a sharp turn left for awhile before the '16 election but now it has taken a course in which the people formerly known as blue dog dems do not even exist anymore. It has even gone beyond being what used to be known as "progressive" and is now appearing to go full blown socialist.

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Yeah, she wouldn't have won, but I still can't believe HRC didn't even put forth effort in Texas with the way many parts are going blue. Easily the worst fucking POTUS campaign i have seen. In many ways we deserve Trump.


The Hispanic population in Texas votes (as in actually shows up to vote) at 1/2 of the level that the Hispanic population in California does.

Two questions:

1. What happens when the voting levels of the Hispanic population in Texas approaches that of California? and
2. Will the Republican party continue to campaign to a segment of the population, old white people, that is quite literally dying?

I'd ask a third question perhaps, in that will the Republican party even be able to run a presidential campaign if California, Texas, and New York, are all solid democratic states on a statewide level?


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Yeah, she wouldn't have won, but I still can't believe HRC didn't even put forth effort in Texas with the way many parts are going blue. Easily the worst fucking POTUS campaign i have seen. In many ways we deserve Trump.


The Hispanic population in Texas votes (as in actually shows up to vote) at 1/2 of the level that the Hispanic population in California does.

Two questions:

1. What happens when the voting levels of the Hispanic population in Texas approaches that of California? and
2. Will the Republican party continue to campaign to a segment of the population, old white people, that is quite literally dying?

I'd ask a third question perhaps, in that will the Republican party even be able to run a presidential campaign if California, Texas, and New York, are all solid democratic states on a statewide level?


I am told don't count all the Hispanic votes as blue.

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The Hawk wrote:
Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
denisdman wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
pittmike wrote:
CH and Rick seem to be on the right track here. SF is special and would be less so likely if the landscape was drastically changed. Therefore, people and companies need to make the tough decisions. Deal with the higher costs due to supply and demand, move or change in some other new way.

Maybe people will have to accept they can visit SF easily anytime but cannot live there?

Exactly. There is a reason huge companies are choosing to be there and not a place like Sacramento.


It is a great city, and CA has top notch universities. I don’t like Cali’s politics, but there is a lot to like in Cali. The country benefits greatly from Silicon Valley.


In 10 years we'll be saying this about Austin, TX. That's the new Silicon Valley.


Austin is a great place for a number of reasons. My wife and I thought awhile back of moving to Austin but my job took me back to California and we decided to do the "safe thing" and decided against Austin. It worked out I guess and despite my bitching about the politics of the state and its taxes we've had a pretty good life out here.


I think you posted this in the wrong thread.

I believe you were looking for the "Nobody Gives a Shit" thread.


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Isn’t SF the city where the 5x previously deported illegal immigrant was welcomed with open arms and murdered that young woman on the wharf?

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Yeah, she wouldn't have won, but I still can't believe HRC didn't even put forth effort in Texas with the way many parts are going blue. Easily the worst fucking POTUS campaign i have seen. In many ways we deserve Trump.


The Hispanic population in Texas votes (as in actually shows up to vote) at 1/2 of the level that the Hispanic population in California does.

Two questions:

1. What happens when the voting levels of the Hispanic population in Texas approaches that of California? and
2. Will the Republican party continue to campaign to a segment of the population, old white people, that is quite literally dying?

I'd ask a third question perhaps, in that will the Republican party even be able to run a presidential campaign if California, Texas, and New York, are all solid democratic states on a statewide level?


I am told don't count all the Hispanic votes as blue.


Sure, count 30% of them as Republican if you want, it won't matter.


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Won't someone please think of the poor business owner?!


Owners are not subject wage and hour laws. They deserve to be in jail, but then we’d have to feed and clothe them.


The owners are the ones that provide the others with the jobs. Without the business owners, there are no jobs. They take all the risks, have to make sure the business operates efficiently, so there is a profit that makes the business viable. The employees simply show up to work, does their job (however good or bad) and go home. The owners are the ones staying up at night, making sure the employees have jobs. Too many of the jobs that people refer to, when talking about a $15.00 per hour wage, are really relatively unskilled workers, working in jobs meant to be filled by part time help. Not meant to be careers. If the wages go to that level, the businesses have to raise prices and a result, may well lose business to a point where they need to eliminate many positions, or simply fold, as the business is no longer viable.

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Doesn't Austin have some serious concerns about not being able to keep the infrastructure caught up with the growth? Maybe not every city needs to grow and grow.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Now that I've read the article my response is the same. Who cares? Fast casual places have you do the same. If these restaurants can offer an option worth the inconvienece then good for them.


I would say it's going to be a trend. Robot fast-food workers or serve yourself at restaurants.

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Now that I've read the article my response is the same. Who cares? Fast casual places have you do the same. If these restaurants can offer an option worth the inconvienece then good for them.


I would say it's going to be a trend. Robot fast-food workers or serve yourself at restaurants.

That will happen no matter what.

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There's nothing really wrong with eliminating these jobs: no one wants to assign them and no one wants to do them. Technology is supposed to eliminate immiserating labor like being a waitress. It should be another step toward universal basic income.

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There's nothing really wrong with eliminating these jobs: no one wants to assign them and no one wants to do them. Technology is supposed to eliminate immiserating labor like being a waitress. It should be another step toward universal basic income.


You probably would get more traction with a French style mandatory retirement with an income at 62. Get the old people out and relaxing and make way for young people to actually work. Also basically eliminate the social security issues as that mess just gets rolled into the retirement program.

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There's nothing really wrong with eliminating these jobs: no one wants to assign them and no one wants to do them. Technology is supposed to eliminate immiserating labor like being a waitress. It should be another step toward universal basic income.


You probably would get more traction with a French style mandatory retirement with an income at 62. Get the old people out and relaxing and make way for young people to actually work. Also basically eliminate the social security issues as that mess just gets rolled into the retirement program.

Possibly, but if automation picks up the steam that people think it will, where the machines start doing the white-collar work just as well as they do the blue-collar work but with 32.5% fewer message board posts during the day, then there just might not be enough work for any people, young or old, to do. Then what? Invent work to keep people busy? We're kind of there already.

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I've always thought that the more logical, easier space to automate is the white collar world. All it takes is more creative and innovative code. There's no need for new hardware development or concerns about safety. Do we really need people still appraising things? Or accountants? Brokers? Computers can do all that and it feels much easier to automate than trucks and airplanes.

Of course you keep a few accountants or whatever around to supervise the machines, but overall there would be much fewer mistakes and fewer laws being broken.


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Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
denisdman wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
pittmike wrote:
CH and Rick seem to be on the right track here. SF is special and would be less so likely if the landscape was drastically changed. Therefore, people and companies need to make the tough decisions. Deal with the higher costs due to supply and demand, move or change in some other new way.

Maybe people will have to accept they can visit SF easily anytime but cannot live there?

Exactly. There is a reason huge companies are choosing to be there and not a place like Sacramento.


It is a great city, and CA has top notch universities. I don’t like Cali’s politics, but there is a lot to like in Cali. The country benefits greatly from Silicon Valley.


In 10 years we'll be saying this about Austin, TX. That's the new Silicon Valley.


Austin is a great place for a number of reasons. My wife and I thought awhile back of moving to Austin but my job took me back to California and we decided to do the "safe thing" and decided against Austin. It worked out I guess and despite my bitching about the politics of the state and its taxes we've had a pretty good life out here.


I think you posted this in the wrong thread.

I believe you were looking for the "Nobody Gives a Shit" thread.



I responded to a guy about Austin Texas. Sorry if you don't like what I posted but I give a crap about what your opinion is about me.

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